ANGRY at PCM Engine Group...

[IDBoating]

I think you missed my point, what i was saying is if you get the mefi4 manual the sensors and theory of operations hasnt changed and its quite informative.

No, no, I got it. But you also said that each manufacturer takes that basic hardware and then optimizes the curves (i.e. firmware) for their specific application. And since a boat is "always driving uphill", the curves for PCM would obviously be different than if the engine were being used in a land vehicle, for example.

Thanks!

[dom w. forte]

Exactly, Dom. You've explained that to me personally a couple of times (for which I'm thankful!). It's easy to understand how each manufacturer would have their own curves to achieve their own goals for their specific application. As you said, a boat engine is "always driving uphill!" {grin}

Thanks!

I think you missed my point, what i was saying is if you get the mefi4 manual the sensors and theory of operations hasnt changed and its quite informative.

[JUST-IN-TIME]

you bet

you can get the program of that link, but you need the cables for it to wok

[IDBoating]

cdi has a new one that is coming out
thats wy i mentioned it

Oh... they don't mention that on their website.

Not buying today, so hopefully it will be available when the day arrives. Thanks for the heads-up!

[JUST-IN-TIME]

cdi has a new one that is coming out
thats wy i mentioned it

[IDBoating]

CDI electronics has a better one, a little more bt has more engines it talks to

From CDI's website:

Currently we support Mercury, Yamaha, BRP including E-Tec and Ficht, and new to version 5 is support for Suzuki.

No PCM in that list. Meanwhile, Diacom says:

DIACOM® Marine version 2.4 supports: MerCruiser, Crusader, Pleasurecraft Marine, Ilmor, Flagship Marine, Volvo Penta, Indmar, Marine Power, Kodiak, Panther Airboats, and Mercury Outboards.

They each have some the other doesn't. Guess it depends on which engine(s) you care about. PCM and Mercury cover it for me.

[JUST-IN-TIME]

i use diacom

CDI electronics has a better one, a little more bt has more engines it talks to

well to tell you the truth, your going to cause a headache if you do not understand simple things first

there is so much mumbo-jumbo in those manuals
and what makes u crazy, is that each manufacture calls different sensors different names!!!!

[IDBoating]

before you start to play-around
i recommend buying the $600 computer program

I'm not playing around on the engine itself. Just reading and trying to get educated.

Dom Forte has mentioned the PC software too. Here's one that has been recommended:

http://www.rinda.com/marine/diacommarine.htm

[JUST-IN-TIME]

before you start to play-around
i recommend buying the $600 computer program

just you nee to know is that all sensors need a Good ground and a 5v reference for them to work right

just becuase

[IDBoating]

email sent, just click on the PCM link and download what ya want... just do not post it up please

Got the files. I'll start reading. Thank you VERY MUCH!

[JUST-IN-TIME]

because they want to save work for the tech's

This industry was the hardest hit worldwide after the last election

its now a luxury to own a bot and not a hobby

email sent, just click on the PCM link and download what ya want

just do not post it up please

[IDBoating]

Starting next year 2011
no dealers/manufactures wil sell manuals to owners
Suzuki has been doing this for 3 years now
even as techs, its a pain in the *** to get manuals

Why? What is the rationale behind making it so difficult to own their products?!?

[IDBoating]

shoot me an email and i will send you PCM's EFI stuff

PM sent, with email address included. Thank you VERY MUCH in advance for whatever you can provide!

[JUST-IN-TIME]

Starting next year 2011

no dealers/manufactures wil sell manuals to owners

Suzuki has been doing this for 3 years now

even as techs, its a pain in the *** to get manuals

yamaha and mercury are e-z because they are on the dealer's net

shoot me an email and i will send you PCM's EFI stuff

[IDBoating]

Exactly, Dom. You've explained that to me personally a couple of times (for which I'm thankful!). It's easy to understand how each manufacturer would have their own curves to achieve their own goals for their specific application. As you said, a boat engine is "always driving uphill!" {grin}

Thanks!