BluRay Vs HDDVD

[ragboy]

I have occasionally backed up a netflix movie, because I didn't know when I was going to watch it. If I really like the movie, I buy it. I rip movies because Its my hobby, and I love to have my whole library in a menu to just click on. All that to say, I don't pirate with the rare exception of a song or something, that is just not available on itunes.

To each his own, but seems like bad juju for a guy like me, who writes software, to pirate. Just makes the prices go up.

[da.bell]

Well, let them crack it and then we all can benefit from the copies.

[spharis]

BD+ was finally broken in theory just recently; it can updated though, so continual cracking for future releases may be required until the master key is found (like the one HDDVD had that was all over the web). It sort of opens up a cat-n-mouse game.

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/tech-news/?p=1513

[ragboy]

They are both cracked, and now that there is one format, you will see bluray cracking go into higear. HDDVD was the favorite of geeks and crackers, not anymore.

[dogbert]

Do any of you think that Bluray won because it hasn't been cracked yet?

Probably. There's probably some code in there that disables your drive and shocks you all at the same time if you do attempt to crack the code.

The bottom line is I think it's wrong for the entertainment industry to limit technological innovationf for the sake of copyright protection. I seriously doubt you'll be able to find Blu-Ray players that allow you to record onto the format.

[ragboy]

This pissed me off so much, I spent the weekend compiling, patching, scripting...

I have worked out a method, to backup my hddvds to run on ATV in full 720p, with dd 5.1 sound. Hopefully someone like handbrake will come along and make it simple.

[da.bell]

Well, I agree. I picked the wrong format but I won't say Sony won. The movie companies were the people who decided this one.

Do any of you think that Bluray won because it hasn't been cracked yet?

[ragboy]

I agree, I picked HDDVD, and having both players, HDDVD is a better player, no doubt. But bluray has the content.

Well, I have worked out my methods, and can transcode/backup my hddvd titles to appletv, I just have to work out getting the AC3 track into the MP4 container like HB is doing.

[spharis]

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsO...080216?sp=true

As much as I hate it. HD-DVD was a good format, more so IMO from usability standpoint. Looks like the pockets of Blu-Ray were deeper.

[ragboy]

Even the fat lady, has stopped singing. It is OVER. Even though, like many of you, I was on the wrong side and have a HDDVD player, and several discs, I am glad its over, either way. I have like 20+ hddvd discs, but at least now, the technology can push forward, and soon EVERY movie will be available on bluray.

Now I have GOT to get those methods working to rip my hddvds to apple tv.

http://www.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/dailynews7.html

[dogbert]

Makes sense. Thanks!

[ragboy]

On the bluray disc, or HDDVD disc, they usually use VC-1 codecs, or mpeg2 still. The size on the disc, can be anywhere from 10-15+gigs for a movie. And when you have extra features and all, easily 20. But when you rip, you transcode to a more efficient codec, like h.264, where you can do 720p at 4-5mbps, and keep the size down to under 4gigs a movie. But the original was at 1080P, and at a much higher bitrate, especially if mpeg2.

[dogbert]

oh, you mean, how much space does a movie I would rip in 720p? SD movie about 1.5 gigs, HD about 4 Gigs. I am working on optimizing compression, to get it down to 3, but basically between 3-4gb.

That's not too bad.

I wonder why it was such a big deal that Blu-Ray had 30 gig vs. 25 for HD-DVD.

[ragboy]

oh, you mean, how much space does a movie I would rip in 720p? SD movie about 1.5 gigs, HD about 4 Gigs. I am working on optimizing compression, to get it down to 3, but basically between 3-4gb.

[ragboy]

I can't really tell, i am guessing around 4 gigs. The cool thing, is the way the new ATV works, you don't need to sync anything to it, just leave itunes on on your computer. So the movies are the only thing to take space, and 40G is more than enough for several rentals at a time. If you BUY a movie, its on your computer, not ATV.