ANGRY at PCM Engine Group...

[IDBoating]

...and I just unwrapped the shrink wrap and voila, it's a CAT engine.

Raw water cooling doesn't hurt up here, we're freshwater, so no worries in that regard.

I have started another thread in the V Series forum with some questions, though. A couple of really strange things I've found now that I've had a couple of hours to scramble around on the boat in my driveway.

[chpthril]

We are a saltwater market, we were told at the time that the cat motor would be a heat exchanger motor, so it made since, however that wasnt the case.

Gotcha.

[dom w. forte]

What made you guys order a cat motor, just curious.

We are a saltwater market, we were told at the time that the cat motor would be a heat exchanger motor, so it made since, however that wasnt the case.

[dom w. forte]

Is it possible to add a cat on an engine that did not come with one, such as my 09? Anyone have a guess on the cost? I'm thinking about doing that or FAE. I know it'll be a boat load more money but how big is that boat?

I dont think you can add without major changes, due to computor calibrations.

[Ewok]

Is it possible to add a cat on an engine that did not come with one, such as my 09? Anyone have a guess on the cost? I'm thinking about doing that or FAE. I know it'll be a boat load more money but how big is that boat?

[chpthril]

It has a cat motor.

What made you guys order a cat motor, just curious.

[kko]

It has a cat motor.

[IDBoating]

I'll go out on a limb here and bet that an 09 from FL does not have a CAT motor as it was not mandated anywhere but CA at the time. KKO or Dom would know for sure since it was their boat. It was an option, just not mandated for the rest of the US.

The invoice specifically says "EX-343 CAT" and, as I vaguely recall, the engine has the grey exhausts with "CAT" on them. When I peel off the shrinkwrap tomorrow I'll confirm and post here.

[chpthril]

I'll go out on a limb here and bet that an 09 from FL does not have a CAT motor as it was not mandated anywhere but CA at the time. KKO or Dom would know for sure since it was their boat. It was an option, just not mandated for the rest of the US.

[jwanck11]

What I have done, several times, is provide PCM with the exact serial number of my engine and ask them to sell me the service manual for that engine. That would eliminate all question, period.

PCM instructed you to provide the serial number of your engine to your or a Dealer willing to assist who could order the manual for you.

[IDBoating]

Is that Manual specifically for the CAT equipped engine? My dealer and I believe the manual both said not to.

It's the manual that came with the care package that accompanied the boat. The manual is dated 2008 but I **presume** it applies to my 2009 engine. Maybe yes, maybe no. Which just further proves my point.

What I have done, several times, is provide PCM with the exact serial number of my engine and ask them to sell me the service manual for that engine. That would eliminate all question, period.

[zad0030]

Quote straight from the manual:

"Turn off the ignition and remove the spark plugs. Use an aerosol-type fogging solution and spray a sufficient amount into each cylinder. (Spray 5 seconds per cylinder, minimum.) Turn the crankshaft several revolutions by hand to spread the oil evenly throughout the cylinders.... Install the spark plugs and connect the spark plug wires." (emphasis theirs)

There are no special instructions for CAT equipped engines.

See? This is exactly why I want to talk to someone at the factory. The manual says "fog" but you think "not for CAT engines" but the manual doesn't say if CAT's should be different but... and we're gambling with an $8000 engine.

(BTW, Mercury - the engine in my existing boat - answers their phones and you can talk straight to their technicians. That's how I learned the proper way to winterize their engines and jetdrives.)

Is that Manual specifically for the CAT equipped engine?
My dealer and I believe the manual both said not to.

[IDBoating]

Have you ever heard of the acronym TMI?

Sorry, it felt like you were implying that I had caused the problem with the local dealer. I was trying to explain what happened.

[skyski_tige]

To review:

I first went to my local Tige dealer to look at Tige boats. They acknowledged that they were a Tige dealer and then steered me toward Nautique. Every time I asked a question about Tige, they briefly answered it and then explained how Nautique was better in that and every regard. My wife and I both walked away with the distinct impression that they were only interested in selling Nautiques.

While there, we discovered a 2009 24Ve. When we asked about it, they said it was their demo boat but that it was also for sale. We looked it over and it was in awful shape - engine compartment filthy, serious wear and tear in the passenger compartment, etc. They were also asking a rather premium price for a "demo" boat.

When we got serious and found the boat in Florida, we called the local Tige dealer back to set up a time when we could come by, check out the boat, and see if they were willing to negotiate on their premium price. They bruskly claimed to have sold the boat, and did not ask if we wished to pursue other options.

So we proceeded with the Florida boat. It is brand new and looks like it, came with full factory warranty, several more factory options, and a substantially lower price. All from a dealer who has proven to be incredibly helpful.

Given the choice between a expensive, trashed-out demo from a rather rude local dealer, or a brand new warranted boat from an enormously helpful distant dealer - which would you have chosen? I'm very happy with my selection process and my choice of dealer.



I still hope to have a positive relationship with my local dealer. But as noted above, they seem more interested in selling Nautique than talking about Tige. We went in asking specifically about Tige and yet at every opportunity in the conversation the dealer steered the discussion away from and Tige and toward Nautique. When we went back a second time, they basically pointed at the demo on the other side of the parking lot and ignored us. When I called to discuss, they simply said "it sold".

Are you suggesting we, as the paying customers, must endure whatever treatment we receive simply because it's coming from the "local" dealer? I don't share that opinion. I am very supportive of the local dealers for my other vehicles and they are supportive of me in return. We know each other by first names, etc. But those are positive relationships, not ones where I have to drag the dealer kicking and screaming to show me the products I'm interested in.

Have you ever heard of the acronym TMI?

I guess I am lucky to have a local dealer that I can trust. All I am saying is before you go after the manufacturer, you should contact the proper channels. He was trying to help you and you slammed him in your response.

I am sure YOU did the right thing for you situation. Mr. Forte should be helping educate you with your purchase and helping you with your questions. That is part of what your dealer should be doing regardless of what geographic location.

[IDBoating]

NO, DON'T FOG! Dont fog an engine with CATs... Plus the engine is probably MPI so you would have to remove each spark plug to spay in the fogging oil.

Quote straight from the manual:

"Turn off the ignition and remove the spark plugs. Use an aerosol-type fogging solution and spray a sufficient amount into each cylinder. (Spray 5 seconds per cylinder, minimum.) Turn the crankshaft several revolutions by hand to spread the oil evenly throughout the cylinders.... Install the spark plugs and connect the spark plug wires." (emphasis theirs)

There are no special instructions for CAT equipped engines.

See? This is exactly why I want to talk to someone at the factory. The manual says "fog" but you think "not for CAT engines" but the manual doesn't say if CAT's should be different but... and we're gambling with an $8000 engine.

(BTW, Mercury - the engine in my existing boat - answers their phones and you can talk straight to their technicians. That's how I learned the proper way to winterize their engines and jetdrives.)