Mission Boat Gear Delta - Universal Surf Gate!

[acropilotbret]

Mission Boat Gear Delta - Universal Surf Gate!

The one I made with an aluminum handle on demand here is a photo of the setup with the old plastic HOD that didn't stay connected. Also I have since moved the handle up to just above the ledge about half in the water line. I will get a photo and video of the wave tomorrow morning with this setup.


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[majestic]

Interested to see the results. I bought the mission but have not received it yet.

[acropilotbret]

Mission Boat Gear Delta - Universal Surf Gate!

So I messed around with settings a bunch this morning. The amount of boats on this small lake were getting to near dangerous levels and the wakes from them were so huge and so many of them it was almost hard to surf. That all said I found something that worked real well and created a decent wake especially for my set up. Here is wave at 11.6 mph, taps at 8, 450lb in each locker and 3 medium sized people. The suck gate was just above the ledge as far back as I could get it (half on the water line as shown below) and still get it to stick as the boat curve around the back. I have angled it as much as possible but still get some splash when hitting boat wake up on to my rear compartment and locker vinyl




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[skippabcool]

Looks pretty good. Did you try both sides?

[acropilotbret]

I haven't yet


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[dukesofhazzard]

well I just made a suc gate and tried it over the weekend, I bought the handle from princess auto, it has a little pivot to it in the middle so I thought it would form to hull pretty good, first one was 12" x 12" at about 10 deg, it was a no go, it fell off, so I cut it too 8 x 10" and voila it stayed on entire time, I still ran listed mikes custom sac on port and all factory ballast full, gate was on starboard side as low as I could put it and angled a little down. It did make wake longer and wave was clean and boat wasn't listed as much as normal but the wave def lacked what these boats make sac'd out and listed. Normally I have all factory full except starboard hard tank so I run, 400 upfront, 250 hard tank port, mikes custom sac 1200-1250 and then a 400 on the rear port seat. This is best wave I feel these boats can make 11- 12 mph and taps 3-5 Next time out I will try it for starboard side but as of now the listing still rules hands down. Just my opinion and findings.

[rhoadsdj]

Acropilotbret - waves looks great! How did it feel compared to the listed wake? More / less push? Steeper? Longer?

[pr0cs]

well I just made a suc gate and tried it over the weekend, I bought the handle from princess auto, it has a little pivot to it in the middle so I thought it would form to hull pretty good, first one was 12" x 12" at about 10 deg, it was a no go, it fell off, so I cut it too 8 x 10" and voila it stayed on entire time, I still ran listed mikes custom sac on port and all factory ballast full, gate was on starboard side as low as I could put it and angled a little down. It did make wake longer and wave was clean and boat wasn't listed as much as normal but the wave def lacked what these boats make sac'd out and listed. Normally I have all factory full except starboard hard tank so I run, 400 upfront, 250 hard tank port, mikes custom sac 1200-1250 and then a 400 on the rear port seat. This is best wave I feel these boats can make 11- 12 mph and taps 3-5 Next time out I will try it for starboard side but as of now the listing still rules hands down. Just my opinion and findings.

I saw the same handle from Princess Auto here in Calgary but hadn't spent much time thinking on how to attach the handles to the board. Would you mind to post a photo or two to see your design. THe princess auto handle is significantly different than what was posted here so it would be interesting to see how you cobbled it together.

I presume you're talking about this unit:
http://www.princessauto.com/en/detai...up/A-p8136624e

[HoopsMT]

The quest for the perfect wave is driving me insane! Here's the rub. I have a 2014 Z1 with VX. The wave has always been a bit short and steep (small pocket). I have 1600lbs sacs in each corner. 200lbs bags up front (400lbs total). Typical ride, rear surf side full, fronts full, speed 11.2. If I add any weight to the non-surf side, the wave washes out. regardless of Taps (upgraded Plate)....which is usually at 7-8.

Last weekend, I put a large enzo bag up front and it doubled the length of the wave....lost some push, but that's okay. I did add some ballast to the non-surf side as well. Simply adding speed in any scenario always results in washout.

Now the issue. I was going to upgrade the ballast up front (basically double weight). Then I saw this thread. Understanding how Delta (Or DYI) works, perhaps the ballast upgrade is unnecessary. Maybe jumping to Delta would eliminate the need for more ballast and actually eliminate the major tilt thing I have going on. Any thoughts?

[Zad]

Even with the Delta (or the homemade version lovingly called the sucgate) you will need extra bow weight. As you have found, adding bow weight lengthens the wave with some loss of push. Play with the weights to find the best combination of length and push for your hull. We use the delta on our 24ve with 2600 lbs in the rear and 600 to 1000 lbs up front. I'm 200 lbs and run at 12.2 (not gps checked) with taps at 4. When we don't have passengers we add an additional 400 lbs to the surf side to give the boat a slight list and more push. Definitely add more bow weight. This combination for our hull puts out a very nice wave. I love the mostly level boat and there is plenty of push throughout the long wave.

[HoopsMT]

Even with the Delta (or the homemade version lovingly called the sucgate) you will need extra bow weight. As you have found, adding bow weight lengthens the wave with some loss of push. Play with the weights to find the best combination of length and push for your hull. We use the delta on our 24ve with 2600 lbs in the rear and 600 to 1000 lbs up front. I'm 200 lbs and run at 12.2 (not gps checked) with taps at 4. When we don't have passengers we add an additional 400 lbs to the surf side to give the boat a slight list and more push. Definitely add more bow weight. This combination for our hull puts out a very nice wave. I love the mostly level boat and there is plenty of push throughout the long wave.

Thanks for the response. I think the more level the boat the easier it'll make it for the driver as well. Looks like I'm buying more stuff! lol. Any suggestions on what ballast to use in the bow? I found a fly high on wakemakers 'Pro X Series Integrated Bow'. But it's only 650lbs. Any thoughts there? Thanks again!


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[Zad]

We have the integrated bow sac and with he space restriction under the seat I bet we only get 300 lbs max in there. When surfing with no people ballast we use the 1100 lb triangle bow sac that sits on the bow seats in addition to the integrated bow sac. When we have people on board we use a 400 lb tube sac in the bow which leaves enough space so people can still hang up there. We are planning to make lead weights poured into a mold that will fit in the bow walkway underneath the centre cushion that covers the walkway so we won't have to use the tube sac. Pull out your wallet man, time to spend more money!

[HoopsMT]

We have the integrated bow sac and with he space restriction under the seat I bet we only get 300 lbs max in there. When surfing with no people ballast we use the 1100 lb triangle bow sac that sits on the bow seats in addition to the integrated bow sac. When we have people on board we use a 400 lb tube sac in the bow which leaves enough space so people can still hang up there. We are planning to make lead weights poured into a mold that will fit in the bow walkway underneath the centre cushion that covers the walkway so we won't have to use the tube sac. Pull out your wallet man, time to spend more money!

You're out of control! Lol. But I see where you're coming from. I was thinking the lead route as well, but wasn't sure how the tub will ride with permanent weight up front when needing to cruise the lake. Have a email in to my dealer. He's usually pretty good and finding solutions as well. Thanks for encouraging me to take out another equity loan. Ever consider the after market taps 3 system? (Wave control surf system)


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[Zad]

Ya, we are out of control, no doubt about it. It helps that we own the boat jointly with my sister and her husband. We have had our eye on the wave control for over a year now and I have tried to get Wagemakers to hook me up with another 24ve owner who has installed it but they don't keep that data. So, we'll wait it out until someone on this or another forum does a review with our hull. After using the Delta I am hard pressed to imagine a scenario where we would dish out another 3K. The Delta works pretty damn good.

[dukesofhazzard]

I saw the same handle from Princess Auto here in Calgary but hadn't spent much time thinking on how to attach the handles to the board. Would you mind to post a photo or two to see your design. THe princess auto handle is significantly different than what was posted here so it would be interesting to see how you cobbled it together.

I presume you're talking about this unit:
http://www.princessauto.com/en/detai...up/A-p8136624e

this is the exact handle I used. My boat is at our cabin right now but I will take pics this weekend and post up how I did it. Ill try to get a pic of wave too, not sure if time to fool around as we have company though. Actually I will look and see if I have a pic already