Mission Boat Gear Delta - Universal Surf Gate!

[wingo812]

Actual used cutting board indeed. Yes I drilled before even trying. Maybe should have waited, but was going on what I had read on here...

[jbgp1200]

Mission Boat Gear Delta - Universal Surf Gate!

HOUSTON, we have a problem.

I've now tried the suck gate on 3 boats and it works great on all 3 boats.

2006 24' Supra
My 07 RZ2
2005 21' Natique

With that said, I may have identified a really big problem that may affect a ton of boats no matter if you are using the mission delta or a diy version.

The other night I had about 4 inches of water in my engine compartment. I posted about this leaking through the storage compartments in the back as the water from the gate filled them up. At least I thought that is where the water was coming from and a small amount of it may have.

Well tonight while on my buddies Natique we discovered water in the engine compartment more then a foot deep.

We quickly discovered that the water flowing over the gate is flowing over the air bents that both he and I have on our boats.

If you have these metal mesh air vents on the back of your boat, be aware that water flow from the gate may be and is most likely forcing water through the vents.

I may need to come up with another contraption to deflect the water to prevent it from filling up my boat with water.




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[UNSTUCK]

Try mounting the gate at a downward angle so the water will be forced down (and out) instead of up. Angle it further down than you would think, because as the boat starts moving again the bow goes up and so does the gate. Also, get an automatic bilge pump.

[jbgp1200]

I have tried the downward angle but maybe I need more of an angle. Also will try mounting it on the lowest part of the boat where it steps down int he hull. I'm so happy with how it works that worst case if I can not keep the water from hitting the vent ill just fabricate a deflector of some sort. My concern is this has happened on two totally different boats. I can see this affecting others and potentially causing some major damage if some one was unaware it was filling up there engine compartment with water.

[Zad]

We used our Mission Delta for the first time yesterday and I have to say it works as advertised. Wake is clean, lots of push and opened up the pocket length. We have an '07 24ve and moving the delta further forward and lower on the hull stopped the splash from hitting the rub rail. No water in the bilge. Play around with location and I think you'll find a solution.

[UNSTUCK]

Did you notice how moving it forward changed the wave? Did you try a sucgate first? If so, how do they compare?

[H20mobius]

acropilotbret

any chance you could post those dxf's and save me some drafting time? I can pm you an email, or you could post to Dropbox, zip file etc?

Thanks a million for the detail and feedback!

[acropilotbret]

Mission Boat Gear Delta - Universal Surf Gate!

I did this in solidworks not auto cad and posted printable templates in pdf's back in post #125 of this thread http://www.tigeowners.com/forum/show...393#post764393

If you want dxf's I can convert them but I'm up at the lake for the next week and didn't bring my computer with me so you'll have to wait.

Separately I have been not terribly pleased with the wave I get with the gate low (below) the ledge/step on the side of the boat. It tends to roll my wave over and I couldn't get the taps to clean it up at any setting. So I started moving it around on the hull and found that if put it up just above the step/ledge (not moving the fat is half in the water or right at the waterline) I can still get it to stay there and it makes a much bigger/longer and better push wave and the taps were effective at adjusting it like I'm used to with listing the boat. The problem is no matter how I deflect the gate the water comes spraying up and some spray ends up in my rear accessory compartment. It's not a ton but it does happen. So I agree just keep playing position and you'll soon find a spot that works great for your boat.

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[Zad]

Never tried a sucgate, just the delta. Moving the delta further forward reduced the upward splash without compromising the wave, to a point. Going too far forward washed the wave out, I guess the delayed convergence effect gets lost if you go too far forward. We were out again this morning and had 1300 lbs up front with 1300 starboard and 1600 port with only one person on board. I found the best wave for me was at 12.2 mph and taps 4. The wave was looooong and had push all along the wave. Far and away it was the best surf wave we have ever had on our boat. I have never surfed that fast or with the taps that high before but with all the water displacement goin' on it worked really well. We are editing some video footage from yesterday to post sometime in the next couple days.

[NICKYPOO]

I did this in solidworks not auto cad and posted printable templates in pdf's back in post #125 of this thread http://www.tigeowners.com/forum/show...393#post764393

If you want dxf's I can convert them but I'm up at the lake for the next week and didn't bring my computer with me so you'll have to wait.

Separately I have been not terribly pleased with the wave I get with the gate low (below) the ledge/step on the side of the boat. It tends to roll my wave over and I couldn't get the taps to clean it up at any setting. So I started moving it around on the hull and found that if put it up just above the step/ledge (not moving the fat is half in the water or right at the waterline) I can still get it to stay there and it makes a much bigger/longer and better push wave and the taps were effective at adjusting it like I'm used to with listing the boat. The problem is no matter how I deflect the gate the water comes spraying up and some spray ends up in my rear accessory compartment. It's not a ton but it does happen. So I agree just keep playing position and you'll soon find a spot that works great for your boat.

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I thought that looked like a solid drawing page.

[skippabcool]

Separately I have been not terribly pleased with the wave I get with the gate low (below) the ledge/step on the side of the boat. It tends to roll my wave over and I couldn't get the taps to clean it up at any setting. So I started moving it around on the hull and found that if put it up just above the step/ledge (not moving the fat is half in the water or right at the waterline) I can still get it to stay there and it makes a much bigger/longer and better push wave and the taps were effective at adjusting it like I'm used to with listing the boat. The problem is no matter how I deflect the gate the water comes spraying up and some spray ends up in my rear accessory compartment. It's not a ton but it does happen. So I agree just keep playing position and you'll soon find a spot that works great for your boat.

I am glad I wasn't the only one that didn't think too much of the suckgate. I was thinking this morning about trying it one more time but moving it above the ledge. Based on your feedback I will give it one more shot. What weight and where are placing it?

[acropilotbret]

Mission Boat Gear Delta - Universal Surf Gate!

I only had 4 people in the boat 1/3 tank of gas 450 lb in each locker no other weight. I think with it high the less the swim platform messes up the wake. The problem is the shape of the boat up there it's a bit more difficult to the suction cups to work. I also think the gate works really well for boats other than tige's that don't have such good wake listed. A buddy of mine couldn't get a good wake with any amount of ballast in his Malibu 21LSV but with the gat it wave is great.

I'm up at Donner lake all week so I will play some more with people weight and take more photos for you all. I think I need much more ballast thinking 750 a side and 450 to 600 up front.

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[NICKYPOO]

I'm up at Donner lake all week so I will play some more with people weight and take more photos for you all. I think I need much more ballast thinking 750 a side and 450 to 600 up front.

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I was at our other local soup bowl yesterday, Boca, just on the other side of Truckee. Be careful out there. It's always a mad house on the 4th. Like any lake I guess but the size, shape, and amount of traffic there is brutal. Straight Campbell's Chunky.

[acropilotbret]

Mission Boat Gear Delta - Universal Surf Gate!

I know you too. I grew up out side of Reno and on Donner lake in the summer it's always been like this on the 4th so I knew what I got into, same for Boca too. I just live down the hill now after a short stint on the east coast (12 years) where my beloved Tige' came from


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[majestic]

I only had 4 people in the boat 1/3 tank of gas 450 lb in each locker no other weight. I think with it high the less the swim platform messes up the wake. The problem is the shape of the boat up there it's a bit more difficult to the suction cups to work. I also think the gate works really well for boats other than tige's that don't have such good wake listed. A buddy of mine couldn't get a good wake with any amount of ballast in his Malibu 21LSV but with the gat it wave is great.

I'm up at Donner lake all week so I will play some more with people weight and take more photos for you all. I think I need much more ballast thinking 750 a side and 450 to 600 up front.

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Are using the mission or one that you made?