Aftermarket Surf Gate

[Greeko]

I found that when I listed the boat normally the gate cleaned up the wave a bit. Typically I still would require bodies on the surf side but this negated that requirement.

When I load all that rear ballast it is hard to get the nose down.

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Optimal angle is between 7-8 degrees...what you at?

[dukesofhazzard]

i was just out using my homemade sucgate today and if worked good at slower speeds on the starboard side for the kids but the consensus is still better listed. lots better!!! I had the hard tanks full, 1200 full and the starboard 1/2 to 3/4 full and my wife said nope, still way better listed. I didn't try it so next time out I will try and see.

[JohnnieMo]

Optimal angle is between 7-8 degrees...what you at?

Are you asking for front /rear or lefr/right?

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[lancehon]

i was just out using my homemade sucgate today and if worked good at slower speeds on the starboard side for the kids but the consensus is still better listed. lots better!!! I had the hard tanks full, 1200 full and the starboard 1/2 to 3/4 full and my wife said nope, still way better listed. I didn't try it so next time out I will try and see.

Where did you have your gate? I run mine full surf like you, 400#offside, maybe 200#ish in bow. I have the Delta as far back with the cups forward and the tab back just under the step on the hull. My wave got way longer and smoother with tons more push. We run 11.8-12 with only 2 people in the boat. When I tried the suc gate on the upper panel it was terrible.

[dukesofhazzard]

I ran it like yours, below the step and rearward, its 7"x9" and angled back about 10deg, maybe I had too much weight with the 1200lb er and the hard tanks, I only filled off side bout 1/2 or just over.I looked nice, next time I will try it. I am all about getting a longer wave. I haven't given up yet, just hasn't been better than listed yet.

[majestic]

We run ours above the step

[lancehon]

If I run above the step the rooster tail is 5' tall and wave is washed out, it's only just in the water an inch or two

[JohnnieMo]

Optimal angle is between 7-8 degrees...what you at?

Are you asking for front /rear or lefr/right?

Optimal angle is between 7-8 degrees...what you at?

To answer your question, I was running about 5.5 deg at rest and 8 deg at 12MPH. This was for surfing normal side.

I found the suck gate helped account for the smaller crew we were running with. It didn't seem to matter where people sat.



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[dukesofhazzard]

well we went out today and it was so choppy and lots of surf boats I did not feel comfortable having the big list going on. so I first set up the sucgate for the kids goofy side had all factory tanks full, goofy rear locker full, prop 8-900lbs and then the surf sac half full on the port side. The wave was terrible, emptied the surf sac on the port side and wave got good for them, real clean. Now my turn, all factory, goofy side surf sac 1/2 full ish, and then the port 1200lb er full. tried 11.2 - 11.6, and taps 3-6, I have to say the transition near the boat was good and the wave felt harder than when listed at the same speed, when listed I run 12 and then its as hard.

The big problem I have is there is a distinct cut in the wave 1/2 way up that really ruins the wave, thats why I tried diff. speeds, taps, I even moved the sucgate forward on the boat. Nothing would get rid of that line in the wave.For a day like today with a 2' chop and rollers from others surfing being more level was nice for sure, but this sucgate is not competing against a listed wave yet.

Anyone have any other ideas, what am I missing, I am sure I have enough weight, too much? rrrrrr

[majestic]

well we went out today and it was so choppy and lots of surf boats I did not feel comfortable having the big list going on. so I first set up the sucgate for the kids goofy side had all factory tanks full, goofy rear locker full, prop 8-900lbs and then the surf sac half full on the port side. The wave was terrible, emptied the surf sac on the port side and wave got good for them, real clean. Now my turn, all factory, goofy side surf sac 1/2 full ish, and then the port 1200lb er full. tried 11.2 - 11.6, and taps 3-6, I have to say the transition near the boat was good and the wave felt harder than when listed at the same speed, when listed I run 12 and then its as hard.

The big problem I have is there is a distinct cut in the wave 1/2 way up that really ruins the wave, thats why I tried diff. speeds, taps, I even moved the sucgate forward on the boat. Nothing would get rid of that line in the wave.For a day like today with a 2' chop and rollers from others surfing being more level was nice for sure, but this sucgate is not competing against a listed wave yet.

Anyone have any other ideas, what am I missing, I am sure I have enough weight, too much? rrrrrr

Are you running bow weight? If so dump it. On the goofy side I run surf side rear 1000 lbs, 350-400 off side, no bow, taps at 5 speed at 11.8. Reverse on the regular side. I run the mission in reverse above the step in the hull.

[dukesofhazzard]

I have been running bow weight and also running the gate below the step. I will have to see if it will fit above the step next time. Thanks

[lancehon]

Get rid of the bow weight, I maybe run 200# up there if there's lots of people in the boat. Otherwise it stays empty.

[dukesofhazzard]

ok I will try the no bow weight, ill check tonight to see if my gate will fit above the step. won't be able to test until friday

[JohnnieMo]

Here's a few more pics of mine. I am running 800lbs front, 1300lbs surf side, and 3 adults. Suck gate @ 15 deg with suction cups towards rear of boat. I have a wake9 TAPS plate set to 8. 2013 Z1 with Vx and 2nd Gen brackets.

Note that this is exactly how I would weight it for listing. However when listing I would still need some extra weight (ie people) in the surf corner.










Couple observations:
- the suck gate does not work when evenly weighted. The bow is just too high. I am shocked others are advocating for LESS bow weight.

- This wave is as good as any wave I've ever surfed. It has a longer pocket for me (I'm the big guy at 275lbs). I could surf all day without losing the wave. I would normally need another 4 adults on the surf side to get this wave.

- my speedo was erratic so I can't be sure on speed. I think we were around 11 mph

- gas usage was hard to discern but the boat did not occur to be working overly hard.

- one of my suction cups came apart and went into the lake. Amazingly one cup was plenty to keep it attached. It was even hard to remove.

With what I've learned I am prepared to either buy a Mission gate or built a rust proof version of this. It isn't always needed but it is a nice piece to have for a small crew.

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[dukesofhazzard]

I played with suckgate again yesterday on my 22ve, the starboard side wave pretty good but I am more concerned with my port side for me, I ran full mla sac, all factory full 400 front, 250x2 in rear and about 4-500 offside weight. made a new suckgate that is more like surfgate, sticks to side of boat but gate is at platform like surfgate is. My conclusion- wave does not have the same lip as listed, it has a distinct line in wave 2/3 way up. What is better is that the wave is harder for sure, can go slower and have a harder wave, the other thing I noticed was how far out into the flats I could go. I had never been so wide of the boat, that was a def. bonus. If I could get rid of line in wave might be onto something. At work right now, will post pics of new gate later for anyone who wants to see. It also changed the wave closer to the boat. I forgot to try with no bow weight as I had another family with me and everyone just wanted to go.