Well we were discussing this in the post whore thread and since not all of you chime in there and this is usefull info I decided to start a new thread here.
Basically it's some info from SPharis on why NOT to buy blu ray. What do you all think? any one have any info?
here are some good points by SPharis:
Only chiming in b/c of the BD and HD comments.
Make sure you tell everyone you can that HDDVD and BluRay are the exact same format. The only thing supporting BluRay will yield is more copy protection formats vs. an already broken one on HDDVD, a higher price for purchasing movies as bluray cost mre per disc, and the possibility of Sony pulling typical Sony BS with their rootkits. Sony has a failure on their hands if only everyone would read up on the two formats and support the better one. BluRay has no advantage, only disadvantages.
I support HDDVD bc I support non DRM media. By suporting BluRay, you are falling victim to the MPAA and Sony's DRM terms of use of which you will never be able to use your media as you choose.
bluray has more than double the amount of copy protection.
BluRay: AACS (cracked) BD+ (not cracked) BD-ROM Mark (not cracked) + region coding (PITA)
vs.
HD-DVD: AACS (cracked)
Here's some more to chew on.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...-stealing.html
SonyBMG Chief Anti-piracy Lawyer: Ripping your own CDs to your computer is stealing.
Quote:
Sony BMG's chief anti-piracy lawyer: "Copying" music you own is "stealing"
By Eric Bangeman | Published: October 02, 2007 - 09:12PM CT
Duluth, Minnesota — Testimony today in Capitol Records, et al v. Jammie Thomas quickly and inadvertently turned to the topic of fair use when Jennifer Pariser, the head of litigation for Sony BMG, was called to the stand to testify. Pariser said that file-sharing is extremely damaging to the music industry and that record labels are particularly affected. In doing so, she advocated a view of copyright that would turn many honest people into thieves.
Pariser noted that music labels make no money on touring, radio, or merchandise, which leaves the company particularly exposed to the negative effects of file-sharing. "It's my personal belief that Sony BMG is half the size now as it was in 2000," she said, thanks to piracy. In Pariser's view, "when people steal, when they take music without compensation, we are harmed."
Pariser has a very broad definition of "stealing." When questioned by Richard Gabriel, lead counsel for the record labels, Pariser suggested that what millions of music fans do is actually theft. The dirty deed? Ripping your own CDs or downloading songs you already own.
Gabriel asked if it was wrong for consumers to make copies of music which they have purchased, even just one copy. Pariser replied, "When an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song." Making "a copy" of a purchased song is just "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy'," she said.
Countless studies have shown that the majority of music on portable music players like the iPod comes from sources other than download services. For most people, that music is comprised primarily of songs "ripped" from CD collections to MP3 or some other comparable format. Indeed, most portable music players comes with software (like iTunes) which is designed to facilitate the easy ripping of CDs. According to Pariser's view, this is stealing.
We've actually heard something similar to this view before. As part of the 2006 triennial review of the effectiveness of the DMCA, a number of content-related industries filed a joint reply with the government on the effectiveness of the DMCA and the challenges that lay ahead for copyright. The argument relating to CDs espoused in the joint reply could be summarized: although nothing has prevented consumers from making backups of CDs, this cannot be construed as authorization from the music labels for them to do so. Thus, there has been no authorization of said backups, and the coincidental ability to make backups currently should not be mistaken for fair use.
Pariser's views appear to be similar, insofar as she clearly suggests that consumers have no right to make backups of the music that they have purchased in CD form or even in download form.
I am still voting HDDVD. The formats are equal in terms of capabilities. The additional factors are what settles the vote for me.
The huge difference between this go around and the VHS Beta formats was that there was actually a difference in the picture quality on tape. There is NO DIFFERENCE in the picture quality between HDDVD and BluRay, no matter what the goob at Best Buy or Target is being paid to say. The use the same codecs, same audio compression, same everything. The only difference is the hardware it is played on, and the media that stores it; which ironically is pretty danged close too.
and from da.bell
Quote:
Originally Posted by spharis
bluray has more than double the amount of copy protection.
BluRay: AACS (cracked) BD+ (not cracked) BD-ROM Mark (not cracked) + region coding (PITA)
vs.
HD-DVD: AACS (cracked)
Quote:
Originally Posted by spharis
Here's some more to chew on.
SonyBMG Chief Anti-piracy Lawyer: Ripping your own CDs to your computer is stealing.
It was going to happen one day. I am surprised it didn't happen sooner than it did.
Interesting. I only bought an HDDVD because it worked with the XBox that we purchased. I was question which gaming system that I should purchase and decided on xbox because they have been out for awhile. Unfortunately, they still have the damn overheating problem...
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I guess I will have to chime in here also. I have put my money behind HD-DVD. I did when I heard that (Paramount?) decided to go just HD-DVD rather than bluray and hddvd, and the toshiba players have gotten so inexpensive. I think the nail in the coffin for Bluray is going to be that hd-dvds are easier to produce, and the cheapness of the players.
I just read an article, that even though bluray says more people haver purchased bluray disks, that is NOT the case renting. Netflix rents significantly more hd-dvds than bluray.
Here are some interesting things to look at:
http://www.dvdempire.com/Content/Fea...hidef_wars.asp
and from netflix:
http://blog.compete.com/2007/09/28/n...-bluray-hddvd/
I think the netflix stats are the best indicator for me.
Also, I am 95% there, on being able to transcode hddvd movies to h.264 like I do regular movies to my appletvs.
Basically it's some info from SPharis on why NOT to buy blu ray. What do you all think? any one have any info?
here are some good points by SPharis:
Only chiming in b/c of the BD and HD comments.
Make sure you tell everyone you can that HDDVD and BluRay are the exact same format. The only thing supporting BluRay will yield is more copy protection formats vs. an already broken one on HDDVD, a higher price for purchasing movies as bluray cost mre per disc, and the possibility of Sony pulling typical Sony BS with their rootkits. Sony has a failure on their hands if only everyone would read up on the two formats and support the better one. BluRay has no advantage, only disadvantages.
I support HDDVD bc I support non DRM media. By suporting BluRay, you are falling victim to the MPAA and Sony's DRM terms of use of which you will never be able to use your media as you choose.
bluray has more than double the amount of copy protection.
BluRay: AACS (cracked) BD+ (not cracked) BD-ROM Mark (not cracked) + region coding (PITA)
vs.
HD-DVD: AACS (cracked)
Here's some more to chew on.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...-stealing.html
SonyBMG Chief Anti-piracy Lawyer: Ripping your own CDs to your computer is stealing.
Quote:
Sony BMG's chief anti-piracy lawyer: "Copying" music you own is "stealing"
By Eric Bangeman | Published: October 02, 2007 - 09:12PM CT
Duluth, Minnesota — Testimony today in Capitol Records, et al v. Jammie Thomas quickly and inadvertently turned to the topic of fair use when Jennifer Pariser, the head of litigation for Sony BMG, was called to the stand to testify. Pariser said that file-sharing is extremely damaging to the music industry and that record labels are particularly affected. In doing so, she advocated a view of copyright that would turn many honest people into thieves.
Pariser noted that music labels make no money on touring, radio, or merchandise, which leaves the company particularly exposed to the negative effects of file-sharing. "It's my personal belief that Sony BMG is half the size now as it was in 2000," she said, thanks to piracy. In Pariser's view, "when people steal, when they take music without compensation, we are harmed."
Pariser has a very broad definition of "stealing." When questioned by Richard Gabriel, lead counsel for the record labels, Pariser suggested that what millions of music fans do is actually theft. The dirty deed? Ripping your own CDs or downloading songs you already own.
Gabriel asked if it was wrong for consumers to make copies of music which they have purchased, even just one copy. Pariser replied, "When an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song." Making "a copy" of a purchased song is just "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy'," she said.
Countless studies have shown that the majority of music on portable music players like the iPod comes from sources other than download services. For most people, that music is comprised primarily of songs "ripped" from CD collections to MP3 or some other comparable format. Indeed, most portable music players comes with software (like iTunes) which is designed to facilitate the easy ripping of CDs. According to Pariser's view, this is stealing.
We've actually heard something similar to this view before. As part of the 2006 triennial review of the effectiveness of the DMCA, a number of content-related industries filed a joint reply with the government on the effectiveness of the DMCA and the challenges that lay ahead for copyright. The argument relating to CDs espoused in the joint reply could be summarized: although nothing has prevented consumers from making backups of CDs, this cannot be construed as authorization from the music labels for them to do so. Thus, there has been no authorization of said backups, and the coincidental ability to make backups currently should not be mistaken for fair use.
Pariser's views appear to be similar, insofar as she clearly suggests that consumers have no right to make backups of the music that they have purchased in CD form or even in download form.
I am still voting HDDVD. The formats are equal in terms of capabilities. The additional factors are what settles the vote for me.
The huge difference between this go around and the VHS Beta formats was that there was actually a difference in the picture quality on tape. There is NO DIFFERENCE in the picture quality between HDDVD and BluRay, no matter what the goob at Best Buy or Target is being paid to say. The use the same codecs, same audio compression, same everything. The only difference is the hardware it is played on, and the media that stores it; which ironically is pretty danged close too.
and from da.bell
Quote:
Originally Posted by spharis
bluray has more than double the amount of copy protection.
BluRay: AACS (cracked) BD+ (not cracked) BD-ROM Mark (not cracked) + region coding (PITA)
vs.
HD-DVD: AACS (cracked)
Quote:
Originally Posted by spharis
Here's some more to chew on.
SonyBMG Chief Anti-piracy Lawyer: Ripping your own CDs to your computer is stealing.
It was going to happen one day. I am surprised it didn't happen sooner than it did.
Interesting. I only bought an HDDVD because it worked with the XBox that we purchased. I was question which gaming system that I should purchase and decided on xbox because they have been out for awhile. Unfortunately, they still have the damn overheating problem...
__________________
__________________
and now from Ragboy
I guess I will have to chime in here also. I have put my money behind HD-DVD. I did when I heard that (Paramount?) decided to go just HD-DVD rather than bluray and hddvd, and the toshiba players have gotten so inexpensive. I think the nail in the coffin for Bluray is going to be that hd-dvds are easier to produce, and the cheapness of the players.
I just read an article, that even though bluray says more people haver purchased bluray disks, that is NOT the case renting. Netflix rents significantly more hd-dvds than bluray.
Here are some interesting things to look at:
http://www.dvdempire.com/Content/Fea...hidef_wars.asp
and from netflix:
http://blog.compete.com/2007/09/28/n...-bluray-hddvd/
I think the netflix stats are the best indicator for me.
Also, I am 95% there, on being able to transcode hddvd movies to h.264 like I do regular movies to my appletvs.
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