Thinking About A New Boat

[dakota4ce]

Did Tige change the Z3 hull when TAPS3 came out?


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[dakota4ce]

You have seen another 24Ve with GSA on it?


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[Germaine Marine]

You have seen another 24Ve with GSA on it?


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Their is another 24ve with GSA on it.

[Germaine Marine]

Did Tige change the Z3 hull when TAPS3 came out?


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They have made slight changes in the last 3 years. Nothing they felt needed a public service announcement but yes, the hull has had tweaks.

If I remember correctly the changes they made when R & D VX/AVX were sufficient and they felt would transfer over with Taps 3. I think they learned a ton via the ASR.

[Germaine Marine]

My point isnt that new hull designs are going to be the only producing surf system boats its that the odds just swing favorably in that direction. Odds that arent that great to begin with.....

Take the ASR as an example......... Odds would tell you that boat would make a monster, not so fast. A little hull tweak and wham, awesome, and out of that was born the RZX.

The older boats just arent going to be as deep, the sport was not geared for surfing 5 much less 10 years ago.... Tech and hull refinements have proven as such. Which again is why I say the newer boats have higher odds to produce via a SS wave. Just my .02

[dakota4ce]

Was anyone aware of that other 24 VE prior to the German getting his GSA? Would assume not since it's been so challenging to dial-in. I would think as thorough as the German is if he knew that there was another one out there he would've talked to that owner at length before dropping the $4000?

So also, by the fact that the Z3 shape has changed wth TAPS3, buying a 2012 or 2013 and retrofitting it with T3 would be a foolish move. Because that is a "older hull" and is not optimized for surf systems? None of these older hulls even dreamed of surfing when they were first conceived. That category would even include my F24.


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[dakota4ce]

Heck they have gone out and slapped surf gates onto chaparral boats. I am sure it works.


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[Germaine Marine]

Was anyone aware of that other 24 VE prior to the German getting his GSA? Would assume not since it's been so challenging to dial-in. I would think as thorough as the German is if he knew that there was another one out there he would've talked to that owner at length before dropping the $4000?

So also, by the fact that the Z3 shape has changed wth TAPS3, buying a 2012 or 2013 and retrofitting it with T3 would be a foolish move. Because that is a "older hull" and is not optimized for surf systems? None of these older hulls even dreamed of surfing when they were first conceived. That category would even include my F24.


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I think you are assuming everyone is super available like the three of us are, I think we arent the dorm Dakota we are freaks

The hull to my knowledge has had tweaks in the last 3 years, not specifically for taps 3. During R&D I can guarantee they were checking dynamics since the last revision which was around vx/Avx, Im sure I could get to what if any were made. I know for sure that Chine issue was resolved but thats not what im referencing although that goes to show you just 4 years ago they felt a change needed to be made in regards to the surf characteristics..

[dakota4ce]

I named F22, 23LSV, X30, X45. Unless a whole bunch of users are lying through their teeth, they do quite well with GSA on them. I'm not suggesting to try just any random boat, I am suggesting to try those that have a history of working well with it. Hence the suggestion to piggyback on other peoples experiments.


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[Germaine Marine]

Heck they have gone out and slapped surf gates onto chaparral boats. I am sure it works.


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I referenced suck gates, and even said the results were much more refined.......... yeah I did just double checked.

I think that premise is drastically different then a tab system, not even remotely the same.

[dakota4ce]

Here's how I went about it: I had no boat. I asked Brian at GSA what boat of any under $60,000 he would suggest to purchase and fit with the system. His answers were on that list that I just gave. I actually extrapolated from the F-22 suggestion, because I have a big family, and got the F 24.


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[Germaine Marine]

I named F22, 23LSV, X30, X45. Unless a whole bunch of users are lying through their teeth, they do quite well with GSA on them. I'm not suggesting to try just any random boat, I am suggesting to try those that have a history of working well with it. Hence the suggestion to piggyback on other peoples experiments.

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I think you missed what I was saying.... No owner is lying, but what is their reference point? Catch my drift?

I can get deeper into this and we should, when we are alone where no one can get pissed at my take on some of the products on the market. This isnt the place for that unfortunately.

My parting word on the subject is, It's all a gamble like Bakes said, with older boats being on the lower odds side of the equation.

[Germaine Marine]

Here's how I went about it: I had no boat. I asked Brian at GSA what boat of any under $60,000 he would suggest to purchase and fit with the system. His answers were on that list that I just gave. I actually extrapolated from the F-22 suggestion, because I have a big family, and got the F 24.


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It paid off for you.

[dakota4ce]

Well I see your angle, but I must couple that with my real world data. I have a GSA F24--no secret. I have been on a Ragboy'd RZX, Z3 both types, G23, X30 Gen2 , SE450 and surfed them all. Which wave is strongest? Mine. So, I am naturally a believer. Then, when I chat with the owner of GSA and tell him my experience, then follow up with this question: "if you could buy any hull under 60K and fit with GSA, what would you buy" and his short list of hulls does not include mine, I have no reason to not believe him. Perhaps he is full of malarkey? He has already sold me a system at that point, and the users that have a system on those boats say they're tickled pink.

I will really get a taste here in a week or two, an acquaintance has fitted an older x30 with GSA and wants me to help tweak. If his boat is strong like mine, then what gives? The hulls are both old, shaped very differently. If his wave sucks, then we have our answer. I was lucky as hell with GSA. I really don't know how it will end up. It will be fun to see.

I would not worry about hijacking a 22 page thread of complete randomness, its a melting pot. Right UNSTUCK?

[dakota4ce]

spent time on a '14 mondo and a '16 craz in wi and neither surfed near as well as a tige. interiors- specifically the dash/drivers seat/ and the goofy open space under the rear bench didn't make the interior feel nearly as nice as the tige.

Agreed, the interior F and F on Moomba is not anywhere close. Have to go Supra to get close.