I picked up a new Hyperlite Landlock at the local boat show for $189

[Surfdad]

I can't seem to d/l the picture from the Inland Surfer site, but this is the RZ2 that the DRA surfed. The wake is ugly. Ugly face, ugly shape and length and in other pictures there is a decided secondary lip on the face. I'd REALLY like to see a picture of someone that has worked it out.

http://www.inlandsurfer.com/album-20...p?ID=98&page=9

[Matt Garcia]

The Epic has 2 rudders. Has ANYONE seen a decent surf wake on the RZ2? So far, everything I've seen is POOR at best. The Shape of the hull, with the concave seems to wreck the surf wake.

Can someone post a picture of a gorgeous port side wake with a clean face and 20 foot long pocket?

Surfdad,

I have only tried wakesurfing my RZ2 once and it was at the end of the day so I did not have much time to try different weight, TAPS and speed configurations.

I think the best setup we had was taps at 3 or 4, speed at 11.5. I had roughly about 1000 pounds.

I did seem to encounter that lip you talked about but was able to clean it up with TAPS, however when we did that it seemed to loose its steepness.

Anyway, once the weather warms up a bit I plan on taking some pics once I get it dialed in. I am guessing its going to take me several tries to get the optimal wake.

Matt

[Moki]

Surfdad,
Sounds like a sweet system! 5000 gph? - You could almost suck the lake dry! I am going to attempt either XPJim's DIY or Rival. I will have to look into make-a-wake.com. That is a smart idea carrying a back up pump. Did you also change your bilge pump out to a higher capacity? Has the seacock been necessary? Thanks again for your great advice. I was a little surprised that you are not running any weight or very little in the front. Do you still have your 23V or have you moved on to another boat?

Hey Moki,

I have one custom sac that the folks from Fly High made for me. It's the same basic concept as their Enzo sac, only made to my dimensions. Nice sac, if a bit expensive.

I had the folks from make-a-wake.com make up one of their original ballast systems for me. The heart of it is a reversible jabsco industrial pump. I always carry a Tsunami pump as a backup in case of failure, but so far haven't had to use it. The industrial pump is rated for something ridiculous like 5,000 gph. Don't quote me on that though.

The system has 1" ID tubing. When I first installed the system, I just tossed the length of tubing over the side and filled while stationary. Subsequent mod's included a thru hull and seacock.

The sac expands to cover every square inch of the rear locker, up under the bench seat to where it stops at the cooler under the observer's seat.

The only other ballast we have is about 75 pounds in the bow. I have played with lead on the opposite side to knock the lip of the wake, but it's a pain if we have different people in the boat that day.

People ballast is typically just the family and my buddy Dennis who weighs in at 260 - we put him in the back corner.

When we ballast the "dark side" I have a custom sac that fills up the rear locker and then we stuff a side sac in the small opening in front of the rear locker. For this side we use the Tsunami pump. I have a plan get a custom sac made up for the "dark side" and plumb the existing system with a manual diverter valve...but I'd like to be able to empty one sac into the OTHER sac, or out of the boat...so...that's in the future (maybe )

[Surfdad]

Hey Matt,

I'll look forward to some clean pictures. From what I have seen of the boat in action when you load it up to the point where you can generate this size wake, the concave of the side of the hull messes up the face of the wake. There is a point, also, where the secondary lip is so pronounced that it seems that it can't be cleaned up OTHER than to unballast the boat, somewhat.

[Surfdad]

Hey Moki,

No changes on the bilge, the reversible pump sends the water back out the intake, so I didn't mess with the bilge at all. The seacock, so far, hasn't been necessary, and I'm hoping it never is!!!!! However, in the event that it is, I can shut the "big gaping hole" in my boat off.

[Matt Garcia]

Hey Matt,

I'll look forward to some clean pictures. From what I have seen of the boat in action when you load it up to the point where you can generate this size wake, the concave of the side of the hull messes up the face of the wake. There is a point, also, where the secondary lip is so pronounced that it seems that it can't be cleaned up OTHER than to unballast the boat, somewhat.

At first I thought it was the swim platform cutting in to the shape of the wave?? Again though, I have only wakesurfed behind it once so I have a lot to figure out on it.

Anyway, I had a 23V myself and that thing would put out a monster wave! I loved that hull shape for wakesurfing.

[wannabewakeboarder]

Hey Matt,

I'll look forward to some clean pictures. From what I have seen of the boat in action when you load it up to the point where you can generate this size wake, the concave of the side of the hull messes up the face of the wake. There is a point, also, where the secondary lip is so pronounced that it seems that it can't be cleaned up OTHER than to unballast the boat, somewhat.

that some what looks like a skate...have you ever tried a skate,wakeboard or ski on a surf wake with a rope?

[mtnsmith]

Funny that you mention closing the seacock to keep water from pouring in your boat. I had the body of one of the ballast pumps crack on the manifold and my friend was looking in the motor compartment just for fun at the dock and was just like "OH $*** there's water pourin' in!" I didn't really believe him cause he is a malibu guy so I thought he was just joking, but sure enough, it was a gushin' in! I was really glad to have the valve to close and not have to deal with a cap or tape or something.

I have actually gone through three ballast pumps since I got the boat that have been leaking from structure failure. My awesome dealer has taken care of me each and every time though

And I'm not rippin on malibu owners with that statement, just making the point that he had been picking on me for not buying a malibu. I don't regret the tige in the least.

[Surfdad]

Hey Moki,

I didn't mean to ignore your one question - we still have the 23V. I've looked at the Enzo. The V in that hull really produces a killer surfing wake, but...it is so sensitive to weight placement. If you shift 100 pounds from one run to the next, the wake gets messed up. If you never change the number of people or what you carry on your boat EVER, the Enzo is a good platform, but even the smallest change and you have to mess with the setup.

Hey Matt,

I really like the 23V's wakesurfing wake. I think only the 24V produced a better wake. I wish Tige still made that hull.

Hey Wannabe,

That picture is of James on a Walzer - that's a nice wakesurfer. We've surfed without a rope using everything from a wakeboard to a pink door. Really.

I think one of our favorite activities was to use the rope to whip out the side at around 30 mph on a wakesurfer.

I couldn't d/l this picture either, but it shows James all heeled over - there are some pictures on WS.net that show the rooster tail off the board drifting about 25-35 feet behind the board. Great fun.

http://www.wakesurf.net/media/showphoto.php/photo/194

[wannabewakeboarder]

Hey Moki,

I didn't mean to ignore your one question - we still have the 23V. I've looked at the Enzo. The V in that hull really produces a killer surfing wake, but...it is so sensitive to weight placement. If you shift 100 pounds from one run to the next, the wake gets messed up. If you never change the number of people or what you carry on your boat EVER, the Enzo is a good platform, but even the smallest change and you have to mess with the setup.

Hey Matt,

I really like the 23V's wakesurfing wake. I think only the 24V produced a better wake. I wish Tige still made that hull.

Hey Wannabe,

That picture is of James on a Walzer - that's a nice wakesurfer. We've surfed without a rope using everything from a wakeboard to a pink door. Really.

I think one of our favorite activities was to use the rope to whip out the side at around 30 mph on a wakesurfer.

I couldn't d/l this picture either, but it shows James all heeled over - there are some pictures on WS.net that show the rooster tail off the board drifting about 25-35 feet behind the board. Great fun.

http://www.wakesurf.net/media/showphoto.php/photo/194

one word nice....wait thats 3 words owell how'd ya come up with the ides to use a door?

[NICKYPOO]

Hey Jeff, you never told me how you had your Walzer set up.

I went with the 54" pin tail 4lb 3/4" thick and his "hybrid" rail.

[Moki]

No worries Surfdad! Thanks for all your helpful comments!

[Surfdad]

Hey Wannabe,

The door was a challenge between the midwest wakesurfers and the west coast wakesurfers - cheapest most unique board made from alternative materials. Ed Sullivan made one out of cardboard. I had to replace a door on the rear of the house and we kept the old one Surfdoor.

Hey Nick,

We didn't have ours custom made. We were down in Oceanside to do a little surfing and wound up hitching a ride with Sean Ward with Walzer, Chip Conrad with Stripes and we also grabbed some of Mike Walker's boards. We tested a few of the Walzer's (3/4" pin, 1" pin and a swallow tail) and walked away with a 1" thick 54" pintail. It's made from 2 pound corecell with a single layer of 3.7 oz s glass. I'm not familiar with their hybrid rails. Ours are hard from nose to tail. I haven't done the measurements on the fin placement or nose rocker - I think their vacuum table is pretty limited so I'd bet all their boards have the same rocker.

[NICKYPOO]

I kinda figured you would end up with the 1". Sean seems pretty anxious to get some feedback from me. I'm hoping to get him some soon, but we're just starting to get some snow around here. I'm sure once I get my grubby little hands on it, I'm gonna have to do a dry suit trip.

[Surfdad]

We had the use of the 3/4" for a bit, to be honest I didn't notice any difference in ride. The only thing I was concerned with was James and his airs - he's snapped Poly U boards upon landings.

I used to put a LOT of emphasis on the board thickness - prejudice from surfboard shaping. The reality though, is that since we don't paddle in, we don't really have a need for the extra thickness (aka floatation). If you could make the board stiff and rugged enough, I think that a 1/8" thickness is probably enough to allow the rails to work.