2020 23ZX Promo

[Germaine Marine]

Yup. "THIS guy".

I don't like to talk about it because people jump down your throat.

Good on ya. We still think you are nuts. Nothing has changed LOL.

[JohnnieMo]

Exactly this. You don't have to look farther than this forum for people that still prefer the old AVX wave better than TAPS3.

Yup. "THIS guy".

I don't like to talk about it because people jump down your throat.

[MikeB313]

I've never found this to be true. Age and hours matter on resale and not much else. So long as the new Tiges keep costing more money (no worries there) then yours will continue to be decent.

My boat has the pre-historic Vx system, and that makes no difference to 90% of buyers. They look at its condition and its hours.

Exactly this. You don't have to look farther than this forum for people that still prefer the old AVX wave better than TAPS3. Always a market for good used wake boats.

[sandm]

I second Johnnie.
we are not in a position to make a new tige fit the budget and quite happy with the older style of boat. I know that when we get ready to sell there will still be a good market for my z3 used. keeping it in good condition will ensure a quick sale.
look at all the other older mid2000's that are selling in the 30-40k range and I figure in many years my z3 will be in that same ball park.

it looks like a nice boat fo sho. the only downside are as these things become more computer dependent repairs will become harder for those buying 10+year old boats to justify them.

[JohnnieMo]

It seems to me that this will dramatically de-value the boats pre 2020. I guess that is just the world of boats.

I've never found this to be true. Age and hours matter on resale and not much else. So long as the new Tiges keep costing more money (no worries there) then yours will continue to be decent.

My boat has the pre-historic Vx system, and that makes no difference to 90% of buyers. They look at its condition and its hours.

[Carranza913]

It seems to me that this will dramatically de-value the boats pre 2020. I guess that is just the world of boats. As I look into upgrading from my 08 Z1 I have no Idea where to start or what brand to look at. I am obviously partial to Tige but every boat maker claims the best wave, the most storage, and the most user friendly...

Edit: The 23ZX looks phenomenal.. Might be out of the price range though.

[LTWellman]

Man this boat gives me a real stiffy. I've been waiting to see what the 23 foot ZX would look like, and it appears that the beast checks all my boxes and then some.

Looking forward to seeing one in person and see what it can do.

My hats off to Tige, looks like a home run to me.

[rensink]

The refinements are awesome I was lucky enough to surf this boat before the launch and it’s awesome. The new surf system with the new plates and user interface is awesome and is hands down way more user friendly. The relocation of the tower switch was long over due. The new boats surf better than before and have way more features that make the boat more user friendly that we didn’t have before. This boat is what a lot of R22/Z3 and 23RZX owners have been after the 23ZX along with all the 2020’s are hands down solid boats with the upgrades!


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[IDBoating]

Parker electro hydraulic. Has it's own electric motor that uses hydraulics to do the work. Basically you classic trim pump and stern drive ram all in one unit for guys that had I/Os. As far as I know they do have a sender so they know where they live in the real world so it's going to remove a lot of the guess work out of the current system, hence the "push a button and go" claims....I think.

Disclaimer: I have no "inside knowledge" of what Tige is doing in this area.

However, I'm familiar with the Parker units. They do indeed have a position sensor. That topic has been a major source of mystery for us for years... why wouldn't the electric actuator guys include a position sensor? The Bennett hydraulic units have them (inductive based), but the Lenco electrics do not and even Bennett's own Bolt series of electric actuators don't have them! Weird, weird, weird. Several years ago we were developing an Actuator Control Module that provided position info for Lenco and Bennett electric actuators - even had prototypes - but abandoned the project when the boat manufacturers showed little interest. For a long time they just seemed to accept that actuators ran "blind". However, the Parker units fix that so if this becomes the norm in this industry maybe that problem will go away.

As far as the "Go" thing, the Parker position sensors will definitely allow the tabs to be set back to a known position every time. That's a very good solution to that problem. There's still the remaining problem of ballast, though. Ballast timers are literally the same thing to ballast as sensorless actuators were to tabs, just a rough guess as to where things really are. We have a solution for that piece of the puzzle in production, and we're hoping we can help Tige solve that in the very near future. You need sensors on the ballast just like you need sensors on the tabs, if you're truly going to offer a Push And Go solution. It's becoming clear to everyone that you can't just fly blind on all of these parameters, or you'll end up with really frustrated customers.

Kudos to Tige for addressing the "blind tabs" problem. As usual, I suspect they're going to be the market leaders on this. Yes, Malibu used them on SurfGate starting a couple of years ago (whoopie), but AFAIK Tige is first with them on normal surf tabs. Nice job!

[freeheel4life]

I don't see a retro kit being available for at least a year if not ever. .

I kind of figure that anyways hence doubt on parts availabilty. Thanks for the info as always buddy

[KoolAid]

So if the software is on the source and it's the same Murphy screen and Pdms why cant it be done. All the numbers for the Parker values have been in the surf demo screen on the current software version for a while.

Is there some other kind of stand-alone controller? Or are they being driven by something other than the pdm's?
J, tried to PM you but you box is full.

Gain and resistance values were really for testing of the parkers and validation of the lenco functionality. There is a relay set and wire harness that goes with the parkers. There is also a different version of software that has a few items that cannot be set back to 2019 and below. I don't see a retro kit being available for at least a year if not ever. Easiest route for a 2019 or below it to use the off the shelf GSA plates with the lenco actuators and drive them through the taps3 menu.

[Germaine Marine]

In a nutshell, you have a completely different harness that won’t be available because those Parker’s take such big power, you have massive power wire, you have different relays and breakers. You can do anything technically.... but you couldn’t just splice in and go without having a major safety concern....

It would be a drastic retro to even get it to unsafely function...

[Germaine Marine]

Just text me Free... I can’t keep up with my inbox as I’m not on as much anymore.

714-306-thee nine nine nine

[freeheel4life]

So if the software is on the source and it's the same Murphy screen and Pdms why cant it be done. All the numbers for the Parker values have been in the surf demo screen on the current software version for a while.

Is there some other kind of stand-alone controller? Or are they being driven by something other than the pdm's?
J, tried to PM you but you box is full.

[Germaine Marine]

Of course they COULD be retro'd, but really doubt the parts to do so will be made readily available.

You cannot retro a 19 with the same exact system that is going into the 20s. From software to the way they are driven via PDM you would have to completely overhaul a ton of components that just won't ever be made available. If you don't care about the actuators? Then all day every day, it takes a certain knowledge of how it all works but I know a guy who has been doing it for 2 years