Box Anchor

[bja37]

what's the best way to hook a rope to a box anchor?

[shawndoggy]

i guess i will have to disagree with most everybody, while i have owned a box anchor for over 15 years, and still use it today, it is not the pefect anchor, it works fine 80% of the time,but every year we go to lake powell, and every year we will get a storm with 60 mile an hour winds and the box anchor will break loose, it will reset itself and then break loose again and again, several of us end up standing in the water holding boats so the dont bang into each other, it turns into a party actually. i will be doing some other kind of anchoring system this year for powell other than the box anchor. might take a look at the xyz anchor.
sin city

Sin City,

Forgive my ignorance because I've never tried to anchor in 60 mph wind....

I'm assuming when wind is blowing at 60mph that you are getting off the water? If so, if you use an anchor buddy to the box anchor and have a rope to a stake on shore, won't you be keeping the box anchor permanently set, because the anchor buddy will always be putting tension on the anchor? Or in your experience will it still "walk" even with some tension?



Again, like I said, I'm completely ignorant of anchoring in 60mph winds (and that's one of the things that freaks me out about doing a powell trip).

[robert theisen]

i guess i will have to disagree with most everybody, while i have owned a box anchor for over 15 years, and still use it today, it is not the pefect anchor, it works fine 80% of the time,but every year we go to lake powell, and every year we will get a storm with 60 mile an hour winds and the box anchor will break loose, it will reset itself and then break loose again and again, several of us end up standing in the water holding boats so the dont bang into each other, it turns into a party actually. i will be doing some other kind of anchoring system this year for powell other than the box anchor. might take a look at the xyz anchor.
sin city

You expect us to believe you and several of your friends can hold a 4000lb boat in at least 2 foot of water in 60 mph winds? I was born at night,but it wasn't last night.

[sincity]

Shawndoggy, normally I would be getting off the water but since we are there for a week you just dont tuck tail and head for the marina. Robert thieson, yes last year there were 43 people on our trip and yes it is very easy for 6 to 10 people to hold a 24 foot tige in high winds, if it gets too strong, we will unhook and drive around until it's over which is usually around twenty minutes or so. The houseboat across the cove last year had a wind speed meter on the top, which clocked winds at 62mph, we camp around gunsight canyon, you don't always get the best spot to camp, some places are protected and some are not, last year we got one that wasn't, it sucked , there were two nights last year that really big thunderstorms rolled through. Normally a box anchor does the job, but it sure didn't like the 60mph, our house boat had no problem though, we dig four foot deep holes and burry the anchors, how ever the cove next to us, there was a 65 foot house almost completely out of the water tipped on its side, the marina had to send out the big diesel barge to pull it off. Team Allen , the whole month of August, on lake Powell, thunderstorms are a definitely possibility,
Sin city
Our trip is August 19th through the 25th every year for the last 12 years.
Shawndoggy, I have never used an anchor buddy, but one of my friends tha has a 23 foot Sea ray, was there and he had one, it was anchored with the proper size box anchor, the anchor buddy and 150 feet of rope, his boat broke loose also. The box anchors are probably only good for 35 knots, in my experience at lake Powell, as you say day trips to lake mead, we don't even leave the house if the weather report says anything more than 15 mph.

[Nobody]

Shawndoggy, normally I would be getting off the water but since we are there for a week you just dont tuck tail and head for the marina. Robert thieson, yes last year there were 43 people on our trip and yes it is very easy for 6 to 10 people to hold a 24 foot tige in high winds, if it gets too strong, we will unhook and drive around until it's over which is usually around twenty minutes or so. The houseboat across the cove last year had a wind speed meter on the top, which clocked winds at 62mph, we camp around gunsight canyon, you don't always get the best spot to camp, some places are protected and some are not, last year we got one that wasn't, it sucked , there were two nights last year that really big thunderstorms rolled through. Normally a box anchor does the job, but it sure didn't like the 60mph, our house boat had no problem though, we dig four foot deep holes and burry the anchors, how ever the cove next to us, there was a 65 foot house almost completely out of the water tipped on its side, the marina had to send out the big diesel barge to pull it off. Team Allen , the whole month of August, on lake Powell, thunderstorms are a definitely possibility,
Sin city
Our trip is August 19th through the 25th every year for the last 12 years.

A picture or video of the wind speed gauge would help.

[sincity]

Hold your breath, I will get right on that. Best I can do is a link to the 2009 storm,
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...ke-Powell.html

Sin city

[Nobody]

Hold your breath, I will get right on that. Best I can do is a link to the 2009 storm,
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...ke-Powell.html

Sin city

I was just being a smartazz, just kidding around.

Sorry.

[shawndoggy]

someone shared this on malibucrew yesterday as the definitive way to anchor at powell....

[Nobody]

This is too complicated IMO.

[shawndoggy]

This is too complicated IMO.

Probably less complicated than salvaging your sunk boat from Lake Powell.

[sincity]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...R9tVPhZY7ArsJg


Check out this link from the storm of 2009' we were there the day this storm hit, we saw this house boat right after it happened, lake powell can be dangerous if your not prepared. shawdoggy that looks pretty interesting, we didnt tie up like that but to save my friend with the sea ray last year we pulled the spare danforth of of the house boat which ways probably 50 or 60 pounds and that saved the day.
Sin city

[Nobody]

Probably less complicated than salvaging your sunk boat from Lake Powell.

I would just buy a new Z3 then grip about the trampoline floor.
The only part about our RZ4 that would make me sad is to see the Wetsounds system get wet.

[JohnnieMo]

Thanks for the notes about the Box Anchor being available at Bass Pro. The crooks at slide anchor want $100 to ship a hunk of metal to Canada. I'm getting so tired of companies in the US treating Canada like it is Antarctica. It doesn't cost much more to ship up here. You just need to do some research first.

[Dandy]

Thanks for the notes about the Box Anchor being available at Bass Pro. The crooks at slide anchor want $100 to ship a hunk of metal to Canada. I'm getting so tired of companies in the US treating Canada like it is Antarctica. It doesn't cost much more to ship up here. You just need to do some research first.

We ship to Canada and you are correct, the cost of shipping isn't that much but the brokerage, taxes and duties add up and UPS/FedEx does not or does not do a good job of estimating these and charge backs show up invoiced a few weeks later. Now there is the option of the contacting the receiver prior to delivery to collect...this brings down the shipping cost from the shipper but the end user still pays dearly. It would be easier if they could get over all the border crap since there is a lot of trade and we are friendly countries. Sorry for the rant

[JohnnieMo]

The first thing about shipping to Canada is NAFTA. So long as a product is built in the USA, Canada or Mexico there is no duty. Nada. Nothing. Charging someone duty is just straight theft. You pocket it.

Second thing is tax. Sales taxes vary but here it is 5%.

That's it. There is no other fee. For items made outside NAFTA, or specialty items with special taxes (i.e. Tires or Cars) then there can be varying levels of tariffs.

But if you are shipping an item of known origin, it's no different than shipping in the US. Apply the local state tax and price based on the actual cost of shipping.

UPS is the worst offender. They charge a fixed rate for what they call 'customs'. They assume a worst case scenario and charge accordingly. They base their price on shipping a baby panda in a depleted uranium cage. It is highway robbery and a class action lawsuit is underway.

What's worse is they give American shippers preferential rates for Canadian shipping. So it's a no brainer for every US vendor to say 'we only ship UPS'. So that means we get zero choice. Then the package arrives on your doorstep with an unforeseen $60 charge.

FedEx is slightly better. But USPS is far and away the best choice. They actually follow the rules and don't just apply a 'You are Canadian so we don't like you' levy.

They found an easy way to charge outrageous money and blame it on the government. It's a good strategy but I never ship anything UPS as a result.

$45 for to ship $80 of PBC speed gloss.
$100 to ship a box anchor.

I rest my case.



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