Wow You Wont Believe What Happened - Orlando Boat Show!!!

[91Terminator]

There were 2010 X45s on sale at the boat show in Portland for 72K. No wonder you can't sell an 08 for that much. You are asking too much. Why would you try to sell a boat for 15K over book value? I guess you are doing the same thing you trash the MC dealer for doing...The pot is calling the kettle black here.

I don't want to start any angry discussion, but I can guarantee you that an 08 RZ4 has the same or lower book value as an X45. Just making sure to compare apples to apples here. And if you shop well, you can find they are about the same price new, not the overblown price you saw.

It seems clear that the sales people were idiots. I think most any dealer will tell you that they never know who has the money and will pull the trigger when they first see them. You have to treat every prosspect like they might just pony up full cash price for your product, even if they don't look qualified.

No you read it wrong i'm the tige dealer, i would never sell boats like that simply because they dont sell. My local dealer in tampa was and is trying to sell the 08 x 45 for 72. This show was in Orlando. Sorry for the confusion.

[talltigeguy]

I do wonder where TIge is going with their prices.

I found this in Denver just 3 days ago. I would anticipate an RZ4 being 4-5K more. This boat was well equipped, but not off the chart. The trailer was a rhino lined black trailer with nice rims. The boat was averagely equipped. Tige is right up there with prices.

I misunderstood. I did not realize the 2008 X45 was new, and that it was at a competing dealership. 72K is going to be tough to get, when newer models are selling for the same price. If that was my choice, it would be tough to decide. The Tige is newer, but probably more money. I guess since the OP poked fun at the MC prices, is it fair to ask what the buyer of the RZ4 paid?

[Carter13]

Some of these boat manufactures need a reality check.
I am sorry but there is now way a 2010 RZ2 should sell for $76,900.
Mastercraft, Correct Craft, Malibu and now add Tige to the list are F-ing stoned if they think their boats are worth these ridiculous prices.
Good luck with your sales this year and years to come in this changed economy.

[Nobody]

Some of these boat manufactures need a reality check.
I am sorry but there is now way a 2010 RZ2 should sell for $76,900.
Mastercraft, Correct Craft, Malibu and now add Tige to the list are F-ing stoned if they think their boats are worth these ridiculous prices.
Good luck with your sales this year and years to come in this changed economy.

Unfortunately, anything petroleum based has doubled in the past 2years. What hasn't doubled is wages. Your earnings decreases when inflation increases. The cold hard reality is an average boat is becoming out of reach for the dwindling middle class. by 2015 that same RZ2 will probalby cost $85K and up. Will wages increase 10% to 15%? NO. Is the RZ2 worth it? Only if you really want it and can afford it.

[Guapo]

I also understand the boat prices will be increasing over the coming years simply because of the reality that there are fewer new boat buyers in the market. Boat mfgs still have their fixed costs to cover regardless of the number of boats they sell. Assuming fewer boats will be sold, they need a higher price per unit to cover their costs. This is not just my opinion, but the opinion of industry insiders I have talked to (and read about).

I hope this isn't the case, but it seems to make sense...

[Guapo]

I do wonder where TIge is going with their prices.

I found this in Denver just 3 days ago. I would anticipate an RZ4 being 4-5K more. This boat was well equipped, but not off the chart. The trailer was a rhino lined black trailer with nice rims. The boat was averagely equipped. Tige is right up there with prices.

I misunderstood. I did not realize the 2008 X45 was new, and that it was at a competing dealership. 72K is going to be tough to get, when newer models are selling for the same price. If that was my choice, it would be tough to decide. The Tige is newer, but probably more money. I guess since the OP poked fun at the MC prices, is it fair to ask what the buyer of the RZ4 paid?

That's a lot more than I paid for my 2009 RZ2.

[da.bell]

That's a lot more than I paid for my 2009 RZ2.

Wow, that was a ton more than I paid for my 2007 RZ2.

From what I remember, the MSRP for the 2007 RZ2 was aroud $67k and now it's $93k????

[91Terminator]

I do wonder where TIge is going with their prices.

I found this in Denver just 3 days ago. I would anticipate an RZ4 being 4-5K more. This boat was well equipped, but not off the chart. The trailer was a rhino lined black trailer with nice rims. The boat was averagely equipped. Tige is right up there with prices.

I misunderstood. I did not realize the 2008 X45 was new, and that it was at a competing dealership. 72K is going to be tough to get, when newer models are selling for the same price. If that was my choice, it would be tough to decide. The Tige is newer, but probably more money. I guess since the OP poked fun at the MC prices, is it fair to ask what the buyer of the RZ4 paid?

Well as the dealer i dont want to give you the exact amount due to personal information of the customer. But It was a 2010 Fully colored, no white gel on this top 2 bottom paint, 2 tower speakers, 900 lbs ballast, 6.0L, fully salt water equipped, boatmate tandem axle galvanized, swivel surf racks, bimini top, bimini extension, center bow cushion, extra pull up cleats, boat cover, shipping cover, vision air chair, extended service contract, and i believe there is a bit more - for around 87,000.00

So over a new 08 x45 for 72,000 which the dealer dropped from 74,000 when he found out he was shopping tige, he spent about 15,000.00 more for fairly loaded (Model Year) New boat, instead of paying 15,000.00 over book on the x45. As a dealer i know for a fact he would have had to come up with at least 20,000.00 to finance the master craft. Banks do not loan 100% right now, and they are mostly at 85 to 90% loan to value with really good credit.

[91Terminator]

I also understand the boat prices will be increasing over the coming years simply because of the reality that there are fewer new boat buyers in the market. Boat mfgs still have their fixed costs to cover regardless of the number of boats they sell. Assuming fewer boats will be sold, they need a higher price per unit to cover their costs. This is not just my opinion, but the opinion of industry insiders I have talked to (and read about).

I hope this isn't the case, but it seems to make sense...

This is also my opinion also. They still must make they overhead and with less sales the must raise pricing.

Wow, that was a ton more than I paid for my 2007 RZ2.

From what I remember, the MSRP for the 2007 RZ2 was aroud $67k and now it's $93k????

First off why even look at MSRP it means nothing, you dont ever pay MSRP so what's the point. i am not trying to start anything but there is not need to freak out about what the MSRP is.

Also i love all Tige's New Old whatever but in my opinion the 09/2010 RZ2/RZ4 has greatly greatly become a much nicer boat from the interior to the tower, its a much much more appealing in my opinion, dont get me wrong ill take an 07 08 any day, but the pricing has to go up for the amount of tech. and design/remodel that went into it.

[wallacmc]

I totally agree with the terminator. I bought an 2010 RZ2 and did so with the understanding that while the boat wasn't a total redesign like you see in car models, there were some significant changes that made the boat better. Everyone talks about Tige Touch and how sick it is and great it is, but you have torealize that innovation like that will cost money. Other cool features like a new swim platform, improved upholstry and full snap out carpet just keep adding up. They are all great changes that were demanded by people on this very forum, but we must realize that there are consequences for this, especially considering the economic factors mention by Senor Guapo, above. I have been supremely impressed that Tige in their '09 and '10 models have kept innovating their models while the competition has stayed more static.

I also agree with this thought: who cares about MSRP? No one pays that, not even me, who custom ordered the whole boat.

[wallacmc]

Some of these boat manufactures need a reality check.
I am sorry but there is now way a 2010 RZ2 should sell for $76,900.
Mastercraft, Correct Craft, Malibu and now add Tige to the list are F-ing stoned if they think their boats are worth these ridiculous prices.
Good luck with your sales this year and years to come in this changed economy.

I was disappointed we didn't get to hear about how you bought your "navy" so cheap and how great it is. I noticed you didn't include Centurion in your list of evil overpriced manufacturers, which you should have. Just my , since you like to give yours so much. And, not everyone likes to buy repos and liquidations. It worked for you and you got a great deal and it has worked out, but it isn't for everyone.

Finally, the market decides what a boat is worth. If there is no "f-ing" way a boat should sell for a certain amount of money, then it won't. It is as simple as that. If someone doesn't like that, he can either wait a few years and let hours rack up on the boat or he save his pennies.

[da.bell]

First off why even look at MSRP it means nothing, you dont ever pay MSRP so what's the point. i am not trying to start anything but there is not need to freak out about what the MSRP is.

Comparing Apples to Apples is what I was doing. We can not compare what the dealer got invoiced since we don't know what that price is and each dealer has a difference in pricing between the models also. We, definitely don't know that at all. However, we can compare the MSRP to MSRP and see how much the boats have increased in price. Now, there are more/better instruments in the boats (example: TigeTouch) now compared to previous years. But again, we arel talking about a $25k increase in MSRP over a 3 year period.

I for one don't see where the increase in price is. Price of materials could have gone up I guess but the value of electronics usually stays consistant. For example: a Apple Ipod 4 GB was $200 2-3 years ago. Today, you can get that same Ipod for $140 or go up to 8 GB for $200.

BTW, we aren't freaking out about this. It's a discussion.

[da.bell]

I totally agree with the terminator. I bought an 2010 RZ2 and did so with the understanding that while the boat wasn't a total redesign like you see in car models, there were some significant changes that made the boat better. Everyone talks about Tige Touch and how sick it is and great it is, but you have torealize that innovation like that will cost money. Other cool features like a new swim platform, improved upholstry and full snap out carpet just keep adding up. They are all great changes that were demanded by people on this very forum, but we must realize that there are consequences for this, especially considering the economic factors mention by Senor Guapo, above. I have been supremely impressed that Tige in their '09 and '10 models have kept innovating their models while the competition has stayed more static.

I also agree with this thought: who cares about MSRP? No one pays that, not even me, who custom ordered the whole boat.

MSRP is what the manufacture suggests and this can be set for the entire USA. Honestly, this is the best guage to pricing even though you really don't pay it.

Again, each dealer gets to pay an invoice price different than another dealer from what I understand. The smaller mom and pop Tige Dealers that just openned get a different deal than the bigger Tige Dealers that have been around Tige for awhile. I am not entirely sure how true this is but it's an opinion.

[Carter13]

I was disappointed we didn't get to hear about how you bought your "navy" so cheap and how great it is. I noticed you didn't include Centurion in your list of evil overpriced manufacturers, which you should have. Just my , since you like to give yours so much. And, not everyone likes to buy repos and liquidations. It worked for you and you got a great deal and it has worked out, but it isn't for everyone.

Finally, the market decides what a boat is worth. If there is no "f-ing" way a boat should sell for a certain amount of money, then it won't. It is as simple as that. If someone doesn't like that, he can either wait a few years and let hours rack up on the boat or he save his pennies.

First off I have never said how great my Avy is. It has issues just like every boat but works for my wife and I. I have not priced new Centurions but I doubt they have a price tag of $78,000. If they do you can add them to the list.
I just can't justify a price tag that high for any wake boat no matter who the manufacturer is. I am guessing the used market is going to be hot in the years to come.

[talltigeguy]

First off I have never said how great my Avy is. It has issues just like every boat but works for my wife and I. I have not priced new Centurions but I doubt they have a price tag of $78,000. If they do you can add them to the list.
I just can't justify a price tag that high for any wake boat no matter who the manufacturer is. I am guessing the used market is going to be hot in the years to come.

The best thing about new boat prices being high is that it keeps used boat prices higher.

When the economy tanked and new boats were being let go at very low price or even repo prices, then the used ones sunk also. For those of us who already own boats, it has its upside.