24VE vs. Rz4

[RID22]

I've heard that about Mastercrafts, especially < 24ft.

MTtigekid, if the cruise is on the boat won't punch. But if you turn it off you're correct on the approach.

[chpthril]

I have not had water over the bow with the Tige yet, but I had a Mastercraft that we took water with alot, and that was why I traded.

Why do the wakeboats take water over the bow? You would think that they would engineer this out of the design if possible.

I am hoping that Tige engineered the 2009 to be more dry. Time will tell!

Boats are engineered this way, they are called off-shore center consoles and they are used for fishing in the ocean The 09 hulls are the same, just an FYI

IMO, and no offence to anyone, but taking water over the bow in 99% of the cases is driver induced and can be avoided. RID22 is the only one i've ever heard that this happens to repeatedly. Most people that are new to this type of boat, as I was, take water over the bow a few times the first season them learn to avoid it under most circumstances.

When your rider falls, pull back to idle, let your wake pass, turn and return to your rider. Power turning back to your rider with the cruise still set will most certainly t the bow dunked........it's not the boat

You cant lose with either the RZ4 or 2Ve, go with the one that meets your needs.

[RID22]

RID22 is the only one I've ever heard that this happens to repeatedly.

Totally valid, we're the exception but not solely due to driving. We dunk our boat because we choose to surf during the busiest hours on our tiny reservoir. You have to turn around quickly and our RZ4 is always weighted and packed with people, so it's hard to quickly turn back into a GIANT wall of water without piercing it. If the lake isn't busy we actually come off throttle and let the wake pass then flip around, it's just as fast.

Keep in mind my wife drives the wake-board boat, I don't. She can be a boozer and plays our stereo at ridiculous levels! If I'm driving the wake-board boat dunking isn't an issue.

Just in case my driving ability was in question (if it's not in question don't read the rest of this response, my wife has made me too sensitive..) My Tige has low hours because I spend most of my time boating on Lake Havasu and Mead driving/co-piloting my brothers DCB cat over 140 miles in poker runs next to other cats going the same speed... It's an experience like no other.

Here's a link to my brothers DCB that I get to drive frequently: (Just watch the first 3 minutes, you can see Dave running the boat with my brother) http://www.performanceboats.com/#id=...mage&a=8228,85

[RockRig]

Boats are engineered this way, they are called off-shore center consoles and they are used for fishing in the ocean The 09 hulls are the same, just an FYI

IMO, and no offence to anyone, but taking water over the bow in 99% of the cases is driver induced and can be avoided. RID22 is the only one i've ever heard that this happens to repeatedly. Most people that are new to this type of boat, as I was, take water over the bow a few times the first season them learn to avoid it under most circumstances.

When your rider falls, pull back to idle, let your wake pass, turn and return to your rider. Power turning back to your rider with the cruise still set will most certainly t the bow dunked........it's not the boat

You cant lose with either the RZ4 or 2Ve, go with the one that meets your needs.

So, I must be learning to drive the boat better!

I don't do the powerturn thing, that can get the cove choppy, small turn to port, power down as your turn to starboard and idle to the down rider.

I haven't had a problem with the Tige with water over the bow yet.

The MC was alot harder to avoid taking water, especially at low speeds in heavy chop, and it was a 2000, maybe the newer boats have tweaks to make them less likely to take water?

[wakeatx]

Somebody'll have to hook me up with the way to post the actual video to the forum, but here's a clip about Powerturns I happen to agree with:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzvOsvrhR4M

Oh, but let me add that I totally understand if the Lake's crowded you gotta do whatever it takes to keep your rider safe.

[Joeprunc]

Somebody'll have to hook me up with the way to post the actual video to the forum, but here's a clip about Powerturns I happen to agree with:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzvOsvrhR4M

Oh, but let me add that I totally understand if the Lake's crowded you gotta do whatever it takes to keep your rider safe.

Also as mentioned earlier the complaint of the bow being so close to the water....Think of how you get a bigger wake on your boat? You weight your boat down. The more water you push with your hull, the larger the wake. So to help push more water you weight your boat down (&/or use the TAPS) making your hull sit deeper creating a better surf/wakeboard wake. Now that your boat is sitting deeper, your bow is closer to the water....

[Dave S]

We took water over the bow in our new 09 Z1 the second time out, it was from a wave from an RZ2 wakesurfing. If I was more prepared, it wouldn't have happened.

[RID22]

So, I must be learning to drive the boat better!

I don't do the powerturn thing, that can get the cove choppy, small turn to port, power down as your turn to starboard and idle to the down rider.

I haven't had a problem with the Tige with water over the bow yet.

The MC was alot harder to avoid taking water, especially at low speeds in heavy chop, and it was a 2000, maybe the newer boats have tweaks to make them less likely to take water?

I've never tried that, it's like preloading a suspension before a turn. That should make the boat turn around in a tight flat circle. Thanks for the tip - and thanks mastercraft for making people learn how to compensate for your design inefficiencies.

I love this website, you can boat all your life and learn something new everytime you read a thread.

[Surf406]

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ha ha mttigekid got me on that, thanks for all the input everyone keep it coming very appriciated,thinking RZ2 or RZ4 for shure all depends on the best deal i guess.

[chpthril]

I've never tried that, it's like preloading a suspension before a turn. That should make the boat turn around in a tight flat circle. Thanks for the tip - and thanks mastercraft for making people learn how to compensate for your design inefficiencies.

I love this website, you can boat all your life and learn something new everytime you read a thread.

LOL, I just say you signature, I was wondering if it was you K n' F, when did you make the name change?

[RID22]

LOL, I just say you signature, I was wondering if it was you K n' F, when did you make the name change?

Sorry everyone this is off topic:
It's a family website and even though K'n F is actually from a David Spaid family movie (Dickie Roberts), most people don't know the reference for good reason - it was a fairly dumb movie. I just happen to watch that movie before I made my TO username years ago. K'n F could be offensive out of context and this is an extension of the Tige brand. Everyone should be respectful of the company Charlie has built and the families that buy their boats. See, I'm all grown up now... So far you're the only one who caught on to my Alias. I should probably abbreviate my signature or I would be contradicting the reason I changed my username.

Back on Topic:
I'm not sure how power turns got associated with my 24ve dunking issue. You have to be moving faster than surf speeds to PT. With the cruise on it's impossible to PT when you're surfing. For the record, the RZ4 doesn't pierce the wake like a 24ve.

[chpthril]

Sorry everyone this is off topic:
It's a family website and even though K'n F is actually from a David Spaid family movie (Dickie Roberts), most people don't know the reference for good reason - it was a fairly dumb movie. I just happen to watch that movie before I made my TO username years ago. K'n F could be offensive out of context and this is an extension of the Tige brand. Everyone should be respectful of the company Charlie has built and the families that buy their boats. See, I'm all grown up now... So far you're the only one who caught on to my Alias. I should probably abbreviate my signature or I would be contradicting the reason I changed my username.

Back on Topic:
I'm not sure how power turns got associated with my 24ve dunking issue. You have to be moving faster than surf speeds to PT. With the cruise on it's impossible to PT when you're surfing. For the record, the RZ4 doesn't pierce the wake like a 24ve.

It was the Avatar!

[RID22]

It was the Avatar!

Oh ya! My Avatar is easy on the eyes, eventhough it's a drawing. I couldn't change it...

[murphini]

We have a 07 24ve, properly driven, hard to dunk, but son once turned into the surf wake and got water over bow. Good lesson.

You can't go wrong with either. We love our 24ve. You'll love all the room on either when your kids bring all their friends. The week of my son's High School graduation we had 13 18 year old boys and my brother and I wakeboarding w/stereo blaring. It was honestly the best days ever on a boat (or certianly top 3). When you need it, the extra room is worth the extra money-hassle etc.

[da.bell]

ha ha mttigekid got me on that, thanks for all the input everyone keep it coming very appriciated,thinking RZ2 or RZ4 for shure all depends on the best deal i guess.

The RZ2 holds 2 less people than the RZ4. You will pay about $8k more for 2 people?

Have you decided yet?