Low speed handling.

[dogbert]

If you add trim tabs, it dampens the effect. Also, you can add a whaletail type device to the outdrive to make the trim more effective.

[Coop]

I have also heard that, at wakeboard speeds (18-22 mph), I/O's tend to fluctuate on and off plane, making it hard to see and hard to hold the speed steady.

[zad0030]

What does the term "bowrider" mean? Is it a hull shape or type of boat where it has an open bow you can ride in? Our '75 Cobalt tri-hull had an open bow, as does our 21V.

We've taught quite a few scouts how to ski behind our outdrive and now our V-drive. I agree outdrives usually are hard to get up behind, but that's because they are typically underpowered. With a few mods to our 302 it pulled up skiers just fine. Our 21V with the 350 MPI has plenty of power. We still have the original OJ 14"-18 prop and have an Acme 535 13.5"-16 I'm putting on next week. Will changing the prop change that bulge in the middle of the wake? I'm sure it will help pulling up skiers, but how big a change is it?

When we first got our 21V our relatives/friends would ask what did you get? When I would say an "inboard" I just got blank stares. Then I would say a "Tige" and they sort of knew what it was, but mainly is was "Oh, that's how you pronounce it." A "wakeboard" boat and it was "Oooh, that's cool".

The Term bowrider,or cuddy, or towboat, or cruiser or whatever, would be the class. In car world this would be SUVs, coupes, minivans etc etc...

The terms jetdrive, Inboard, Inboard/Outbard (in/out whatever), and Outboard are the drive systems. Its the way the engine is linked to the propulsion. In car world this would be like, 4x4, AWD, RWD, FWD etc...

Towboats are specifically designed for popping skiiers out of the water, and created the best wake for the desired sport. I/O boats just because they have a tower, does not make them good wakeboard boats. They lack in acceleration, hull design and wake shape. If you put an inboard boat and an I/O next to each other and slam on the throttle who takes off faster? The inboard. The inboard will get up and on plane faster whereas the i/o's bow will raise up real tall and then gets up to speed and planes off. This is due to the fact that the outdrive acts as a lever. If you have ever ridden on a jetski you might know that if you lean back then jam on the throttle you will shoot into the air, because you applying vertical thrust instead of horizantal which you do get with the inboard. The engines the put into towboats have higher low end toque to pull up and the skiier and the design of the hull is made to plow through the water and create a nice clean wake.

The market for wakeboarding is huge and any I/o company can slap a tower on their boat and call it a wakeboard boat.

[da.bell]

Our kids are growing up with a whole new generation of boats.

I would say LUCKY KIDS!!!!!!!

[R&T Babich]

Ooops - "We still have the original OJ 14"-18 prop and have an Acme 535 13.5"-16 I'm putting on next week." - should have read Acme 537.

So a bowrider would be like an older Glastron or Sea Ray. Way back in the '70s "tow boats" were a Ski Natique, Master Craft, etc. They were inboards with direct drives and the emphasis was on making a smooth, flat wake. I know, "How boring". Our kids are growing up with a whole new generation of boats.

[chpthril]

What does the term "bowrider" mean? Is it a hull shape or type of boat where it has an open bow you can ride in? Our '75 Cobalt tri-hull had an open bow, as does our 21V.

We've taught quite a few scouts how to ski behind our outdrive and now our V-drive. I agree outdrives usually are hard to get up behind, but that's because they are typically underpowered. With a few mods to our 302 it pulled up skiers just fine. Our 21V with the 350 MPI has plenty of power. We still have the original OJ 14"-18 prop and have an Acme 535 13.5"-16 I'm putting on next week. Will changing the prop change that bulge in the middle of the wake? I'm sure it will help pulling up skiers, but how big a change is it?

When we first got our 21V our relatives/friends would ask what did you get? When I would say an "inboard" I just got blank stares. Then I would say a "Tige" and they sort of knew what it was, but mainly is was "Oh, that's how you pronounce it." A "wakeboard" boat and it was "Oooh, that's cool".

Bowrider, or run-about: open seating area in front of the cabin/cockpit as apposed to a cruiser/cuddy and ski boats that were closed bows in the early days, pontoon, center console, cigarette type speed boat.

Although towboats are open bow type boats, like a bowrider, most might agree that the term "bowrider" might be best left to those boats with open bow seating that use an "outboard" and "I/O" engine config. and not used to discribe a "tow boat"

From an Insurance standpoint, terms like bowrider/run-about, cruiser, cuddy pontoon, dingy, etc, discribe the hull type, and terms like Outboard, I/O, Inboard, Jet, etc, discribe the engine/drive config.

[R&T Babich]

What does the term "bowrider" mean? Is it a hull shape or type of boat where it has an open bow you can ride in? Our '75 Cobalt tri-hull had an open bow, as does our 21V.

We've taught quite a few scouts how to ski behind our outdrive and now our V-drive. I agree outdrives usually are hard to get up behind, but that's because they are typically underpowered. With a few mods to our 302 it pulled up skiers just fine. Our 21V with the 350 MPI has plenty of power. We still have the original OJ 14"-18 prop and have an Acme 535 13.5"-16 I'm putting on next week. Will changing the prop change that bulge in the middle of the wake? I'm sure it will help pulling up skiers, but how big a change is it?

When we first got our 21V our relatives/friends would ask what did you get? When I would say an "inboard" I just got blank stares. Then I would say a "Tige" and they sort of knew what it was, but mainly is was "Oh, that's how you pronounce it." A "wakeboard" boat and it was "Oooh, that's cool".

[FIC]

Also for a beginner trying to learn how to ski an outboard or outdrive makes them have to work very hard to get up , also the wake shape is very noticeably different and not good for the more advanced , add to that that an inboard is much safer for a young family I think its a no brainer!

[chpthril]

Oh, forgot to mention my source........my dealer has an 07 22Ve coming in to trade out and 06 Sea Ray 205 Sport for the exact reasons I noted.

[chpthril]

This is a 2007 Sea Ray 205 Sport. Looks like a wakeboard boat to me. It has a sterndrive with an inboard 5.0L engine.

Looks like a Ferrari to me .............NOT, 1986 Pontiac Fiero

Looks can be deceiving. Although those bow-riders w/towers look as good as any real towboat, they just don't perform like one. Under powered with ballast, cant surf, swim platform is a foot off the water, cant track worth a $h!t when pulling a strong boarder/skier.

Most are sold LOA so you would (example) have to step up to a 24ft bowrider to get the same interior room as a 22ft towboat.



Not knocking bowriders at all. They are a good family boat, but wont cut it for serious water sports.

[R&T Babich]

This is a 2007 Sea Ray 205 Sport. Looks like a wakeboard boat to me. It has a sterndrive with an inboard 5.0L engine.

[chpthril]

chpthril - I've been calling our boat an "inboard", too, as if it were a unique type of boat. I spent a few years driving an I/O sterndrive, too. I first learned with a Mercury outboard, then a friend's Berkley jet, and we had a Cobalt 302 Ford Mercruiser before our Tige. I think a jetdrive, sterndrive, direct drive and V-drive are all "inboards". The sterndrives and outboards drive similar. The direct drives and V-drives I would think drive the same. And the jet drives are in between. Our "V-drive" has been a challenge, but it sure has been the best boat I've ever driven.

Not anymore unique then a front wheel drive, AWD, 4WD or rear wheel drive, but a way to describe the placement of the engine/gearcase

The reason why its harder to turn to the left at speed is because there is more load on the left side of the rudder. The Propeller throws a wash, the wash is heavier on the left side due to the left hand rotation of the prop. So when you turn the wheel left you are forcing the rudder into the wash. If you let go of the wheel while driving it will break right because the wash is throwing the rudder over to the right.



This is the way I understand it.

Outboard= Fishing boat, pontoon, etc....
I/O(Inboard/outboard)= Runabouts, Rinkers, searays etc...
Inboard=Tige, Supra, Mastercraft, Big cruisers and yachts.
I think jetdrives are a category all their own.

Direct Drives and V drives are basically the same thing. Difference is the V drive engine is in the back and the prop shaft comes forward then back instead of the engine in the middle and the shaft going straight out the back. They drive almost identically.

I like to compaire the V-drive to a transfer case of a 4WD.

zad0030 - the first boat I ever skied behind was definitely a "ski" boat with a Mercury outboard, not a fishing boat. I/O stands for In/Out drive - half the drive is "in" the boat, half "out" and Mercury calls it a "sterndrive". I've seen some nice looking ski/wakeboard boats that have sterndrives on them. I've also seen a couple of big cruisers with dual jet drives on them. I think the term inboard vs outboard refers to where the engine is located, probably in relation to the transom or how it's mounted to the boat. Our 1975 Cobalt runabout was offered with a 302 or 351 coupled to a sterndrive or a jet drive.

It sure makes sense what you say about the prop wash hitting the rudder. My wife does most of the zig/zag tube driving. I'll pay more attention to the turning pressure next time out.

I think Zad was offering some typical examples to clarify the nomenclature and not saying that those drive configurations are only found on those certain boats.

I gotta say that putting a tower on a boat does not make it a tow boat, it's still a bowrider with tower.

I would call a jet drive "an I/O with out a gearcase"

[R&T Babich]

zad0030 - the first boat I ever skied behind was definitely a "ski" boat with a Mercury outboard, not a fishing boat. I/O stands for In/Out drive - half the drive is "in" the boat, half "out" and Mercury calls it a "sterndrive". I've seen some nice looking ski/wakeboard boats that have sterndrives on them. I've also seen a couple of big cruisers with dual jet drives on them. I think the term inboard vs outboard refers to where the engine is located, probably in relation to the transom or how it's mounted to the boat. Our 1975 Cobalt runabout was offered with a 302 or 351 coupled to a sterndrive or a jet drive.

It sure makes sense what you say about the prop wash hitting the rudder. My wife does most of the zig/zag tube driving. I'll pay more attention to the turning pressure next time out.

[zad0030]

I've noticed on our's, that when loaded down with peeps/ballast, the wheel is easy to turn to the right but harder (more resistance) to turn to the left.

I spent 10 yrs in I/O's and have been re-learning to drive an inboard over the past 18 months and I'm still fine tuning my skills.

Hang in there, take your time.

chpthril - I'll bet when turning to the right the steering cable is being pulled thru the casing and when turning left it is being pushed. We have no ballast in our boat and I can't tell any difference either direction. More weight, more force, more friction, but maybe your cable is getting old.

The reason why its harder to turn to the left at speed is becuase there is more load on the left side of the rudder. The Propeller throws a wash, the wash is heavier on the left side due to the left hand rotation of the prop. So when you turn the wheel left you are forcing the rudder into the wash. If you let go of the wheel while driving it will break right because the wash is throwing the rudder over to the right.

chpthril - I've been calling our boat an "inboard", too, as if it were a unique type of boat. I spent a few years driving an I/O sterndrive, too. I first learned with a Mercury outboard, then a friend's Berkley jet, and we had a Cobalt 302 Ford Mercruiser before our Tige. I think a jetdrive, sterndrive, direct drive and V-drive are all "inboards". The sterndrives and outboards drive similar. The direct drives and V-drives I would think drive the same. And the jet drives are in between. Our "V-drive" has been a challenge, but it sure has been the best boat I've ever driven.

This is the way I understand it.

Outboard= Fishing boat, pontoon, etc....
I/O(Inboard/outboard)= Runabouts, Rinkers, searays etc...
Inboard=Tige, Supra, Mastercraft, Big cruisers and yachts.
I think jetdrives are a category all their own.

Direct Drives and V drives are basically the same thing. Difference is the V drive engine is in the back and the prop shaft comes forward then back instead of the engine in the middle and the shaft going straight out the back. They drive almost identically.

[R&T Babich]

chpthril - I've been calling our boat an "inboard", too, as if it were a unique type of boat. I spent a few years driving an I/O sterndrive, too. I first learned with a Mercury outboard, then a friend's Berkley jet, and we had a Cobalt 302 Ford Mercruiser before our Tige. I think a jetdrive, sterndrive, direct drive and V-drive are all "inboards". The sterndrives and outboards drive similar. The direct drives and V-drives I would think drive the same. And the jet drives are in between. Our "V-drive" has been a challenge, but it sure has been the best boat I've ever driven.