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  1. #16
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    This^^^ I get between z1 and rzx2 but this makes no sense. Tige needs to get an order or some sort of pattern to their models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNSTUCK View Post
    So a person that wants a new, high end boat heads into his dealer. What sways his decision between the zx1 and rzx2?
    What swayed anyone's decision between the Z1 and Z3, the RZ2 and the RZ4, the RZX2 and the RZX3, or the 22ve and the 24ve? You might also consider that one is a traditional nose, the other a pickle fork... that's a deal breaker in my home, as the wife hates the look of a pickle fork. Happy wife...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BurnMac42 View Post
    x2

    Is this replacing the Z1?

    Edit: Woof....$129,846.00 to start.... ::goes back to building his R23 online::
    wow. Still hard to believe now ~$90k R23 is the value line, but comparatively it is. To me is there an extra $30k of value in the premium lines? Answer was no for me at least when comparing Z to R.

    If money were no object then yeah, why not. Maybe the MNO market is what tige is after? hard to think there's enough of this segment out there, but i have to think they've done their market research, so maybe that's it.

    I still feel like i got a he11 of a lot of boat in the R, and does everything I want and need it to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNSTUCK View Post
    So a person that wants a new, high end boat heads into his dealer. What sways his decision between the zx1 and rzx2?
    I would like to see a comparison here too. I think the current Tige lineup can be a bit confusing, especially for the average consumer. What exactly would make one pick a RZX2 over the ZX1? Is Tige planning on doing away with any of these older models? Because right now the lineup looks a little crowded.


    Side Note: There is video up of the ZX1 on the Tige website. What a gorgeous boat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elevatedconcept View Post
    Boat is 21'6. I think real world pricing will be more friendly then that.... What everyone has to remember is this is the zx line. This isnt an R or Z line boat. I would put it a step above teh rzx2..... Need to keep perspective on this. A lot of boat in 21.6 feet.
    Honest question...what's the ZX line start with standard that the RZX(2/3) doesn't? I understood the 25fter being high up because well, it's a 25fter and the only one in the lineup plus it was in the G25/Ri257 market segment. In other words, it was in a different market.

    But this thing just because you slap a "ZX" instead of a "Z" or "RZX" on the side of it doesn't mean it magically jumps $20-30k because of a marketing departments claim of luxury. I'm genuinely asking is there more vinyl (cause in the pics I can't tell the difference in vinyl from an RZX and this thing), thicker foam in the seats? Does it have it's own separate QA line to ensure it's "premium/luxury" care from start to finish? Is the standard motor different? Electronics?

    I am just being honest as a consumer that I don't see much of a difference between the R/Z series 21 ft boats and this thing, let alone any difference between the RZX series. So in essence I'm being asked my Tige to pay for a "premium/luxury" line of the brand and get a 21ft boat vs getting a 22 or even a 23 ft boat for darn near the same price.

    I could afford this boat but I'm failing to see the point (from a market perspective) of charging so much for a 21 ft boat when I as a buyer can get a 22-23 ft RZX level boat for the same. I guess a FEW peeps could argue the size difference in regards to storage but come on..if I can afford a 6 figure toy, storage traditionally shouldn't be an issue.

    Again, just personal perspective and like others have said, I have no doubt Tige had to do market research and determined the R&D/spool up costs were worth it in the end....it's a gorgeous boat and maybe once I get to crawl around in it I'll change my mind but from the few pics/videos I'm having a hard time with it..

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    Lots of great points. To me its like the R20 vs RZR dilemma. Never understood why someone would want to pay that much more for the same 20' boat with some trim changes and a bigger touch screen yet the RZR did sell. I think there are certain consumers out there that will always just spend on the more expensive version whether its cars, boats, TVs etc. If it costs more it must be better or the best right?? One thing to consider is there a private lakes with size restrictions. This would probably fall under that length on most and that crowd wants to spend big.
    Will be interesting to see where it goes. Would love to get out on it.

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    The rzr I will understand it’s a decent crossover boat that will always appeal to the people towing with the luxury suv’s. It’s like the new zx and rzx line should replace the should replace the z and rz series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D&P Powell View Post
    What swayed anyone's decision between the Z1 and Z3, the RZ2 and the RZ4, the RZX2 and the RZX3, or the 22ve and the 24ve? You might also consider that one is a traditional nose, the other a pickle fork... that's a deal breaker in my home, as the wife hates the look of a pickle fork. Happy wife...
    I finally got around to looking at the website. I assume you're getting at their lengths? The RZX2 is only 4 inches longer than the ZX1, ON PAPER. In real life, who knows. My RZX3 is not 23' like advertised. Looking them over I think you are right that it comes down to shape. While I wouldn't call it a traditional nose it's not a pickle fork for sure. I really like the shape of it. And if you compare it to a Z1 it's night and day bigger and better looking...but $36k more.

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    What is the rzx than? I haven’t measured mine but it’s a lot shorter than a Z3.

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    The ZX1 will feel as big or bigger than a RZX2 and is much deeper. You gain all the bow storage and walk through and under the observers seat is so much deeper than a RZX2.. Obviously everyone’s experience/opinion will very but the ZX1 is such a great boat and the wave is great stock and so much power in the wave.

    The ZX1 that we ordered for our shop shipped yesterday and it will be my boat of choice till it sells. ZX5 will have to sit in the showroom

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    Quote Originally Posted by elevatedconcept View Post
    What does any of this have to do with Ragboy? Both him and Tige went their separate ways, It wasnt a one sided affair. Go grab a Supra or Centurion. Nice nice boats, been in them and carry one of them. Im ecstatic about a lot of things Tige is bringing to the table. Its a good time for the brand.
    What is Tige bringing to the table that will have them keep pace with some of the great innovation we are seeing in the marketplace, I am not hearing about it from them or on the forum? My comment about Ragboy is that lots of us were suprised when he left Tige, but appears to have made a good move for him and his gang.

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    I guess you haven't been keeping up. 4 (RZX 2/3, ZX5/1)new boats in 3 years is pretty darn innovating, or at the least an impressive move to stay current. Go shop MB or Sanger if you want to see a lack of innovation.
    Pretty sure if my memory serves me correct it's the exact same number of new boats that SC turned out in the same period (Helix, Max, SR, and SL). Seems Tige is keeping pace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajward View Post
    My comment about Ragboy is that lots of us were suprised when he left Tige, but appears to have made a good move for him and his gang.
    Surprised, yes... but a good move? Debatable. I will say this, since were discussing opinions; I personally find it interesting how he was totally in love with everything Tige... until he wasn't. I'm not suggesting he didn't have a good reason to leave, I just think it may have been a business decision (from all parties involved). That in itself leads me to believe he will sing the highest praises of any boat manufacturer that meets his needs (and not just from a surf boat perspective). Can't say I blame him, but will say I will take his boat opinions with a grain of salt going forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D&P Powell View Post
    That in itself leads me to believe he will sing the highest praises of any boat manufacturer that meets his needs (and not just from a surf boat perspective). Can't say I blame him, but will say I will take his boat opinions with a grain of salt going forward.
    my perceptions of Ragboy fall along your same lines however 2 things can be said...

    whatever camp he is in he will sing the highest praises and that's good for that business. it's what he is being paid to do and glad to see his passion.

    he is one of the biggest supporters of the wakesurf community that I have met. does he make money on it? ya. but how many organize an event like the polar bear, invite all brands and ask for riders to post unedited opinions that are published. there are a few of these around the country and as you know from organizing the tige reunion, they take quite a bit of time and commitment and can't imagine he did this for the few $$ he might have made off it.

    back ot- I don't follow all the brands but perception is skiers, centurion and tige are the few brands that continue to refine the product offerings with new boats and dabble with new wake technology on a more frequent scale. not that the others are not but it seems that these 3 are announcing new products/boats more often than the others. that can be good and bad as new technology pushes the envelope but it comes at a cost that all new boat owners across that brand are paying for.
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    Back in the good ol' days a 2006 22ve
    My comment about Ragboy is that lots of us were suprised when he left Tige, but appears to have made a good move for him and his gang.
    I dont mean this to be derogatory. Wake-9 is a for-hire marketing outfit. Much like a TV or radio personality. Staying or moving was pure business for all 3 parties. SC, Tige and Wake-9.

    find it interesting how he was totally in love with everything Tige... until he wasn't.
    Dont hear James Earl John talk smack about Arby's, but i bet he'd fall in love real quick with Burger King if they broke out the checkbook

    In reality, we see the same this very day on this very forum. If the time ever comes and there is a change, you will again see the same thing. They will quickly fall out of love and move on to the next best thing.

    Not knocking it, just being honest that there is always some business and economics behind it.
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