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    I am shopping boatlifts and a guy over on WW said something I thought was a little fishy or if true startling. I own a 2013 RZR that is listed at about 3100 lbs. He said that the weights were not correct and that the boats are weighed without anything on them. Just the engine and interior. He said not even the tower is included. I thought dry weight was supposed to include everything standard. He claimed the RZR with fuel would be close to 4000lb. Thats a pretty big variance. My boat is very basic as to options so to me with my tank empty I should be close to advertised weight. I even stayed with the single axle trailer to keep the weight down.

    If this is the truth I think this is very underhanded and deceitful practice by Tige. It will put me and my family in a very unsafe position. AS our tow vehicle is rated at 4500 lbs. If the boat is truly closer to 3800 lbs and not the listed 3100, on the trailer I am going to exceed my towing capacity.

    Doesn't seem like something a company would want to do from a legal stand point. The guy claimed it was to get into restricted size and weight lakes. But if it isn't true whats the point? When I pick up the boat in a few weeks I will be heading to the scales and see what the actual weight is and go from there. We are in the process of buying a new house and I don't really have the cash this year to buy a new tow vehicle. Anyone know the true weights? Why wouldn't I trust the factory weights?

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    I pretty sure every manufacturer does this, not just Tige. That is what is required of them (manufactureers) by law. Everything you put in or on a boat is extra. Towers, stereos, gear, everything. It would be silly to weigh every single boat. Sure it would be nice but, its just not practical. The weight is a base line figure and every single boat is going to weigh a little more or less than that figure. It's just a fact of life. If Joe Blow sprays the carpet glue a little heavy, the boat will weigh a little bit more than the last one. If you're trying to squeeze under a tow capacity, well then you're too close anyways and you should have planned it out a little better. It's not Tiges fault you decided to buy a boat and a house at the same time and now you can't afford a new truck. You're no stranger to boats or even Tige. C'mon man.
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    that came from a post from this very website. and i am the one who informed you on wakeworld

    from 2011 to 2012 and 2013 the weight dropped mysteriously from 3489 to 3100 even. The hull didnt change, they added equipment, the hull didnt change. so what gives? someone here posted a solution which was that the weight drop. someone correct if im wrong
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    Nicky, I'm not saying the weight isn't going to vary a small amount. I am no stranger to boats. I have owned...well to many and probably more than 99% on here if their not a dealer. The RZR is standard with a tower. Its not an option. It would be a DELETE without. I don't expect them to weigh every boat, but shouldn't it be close. Stating 3100 when it's 4100 isn't even close. That 25%. How is that not deceitful? Most people don't care, but I did because.....

    I am not saying it's Tige's fault I bought a boat and a house in the same time frame. But I bought a boat based on what I could tow with the vehicle I had. I should be able to trust the manufactures published weights more than internet forums, right? If not I guess everything Nobody and the jetranger says is true!! I thought I was ok as I can safely town 4500 lbs and the boat weighed 3100. Thats in my window. This wasn't pushing, I checked the weight of the single axle trailer and should easily have stayed under 4000. I did my home work. I trusted the manufacturers numbers. I did my due diligence as to planning and research. We really wanted to go to a Z1, but at 4100 it was not in our window. So we went to the smaller boat to stay in the right weight range. If this was a multipurpose hull and a tower was an option it would be different. How does the R20 weigh 3075, 25 lbs less?

    I'm not saying the boat weighs 4000, that what others are saying. Until I get it on an official scale I don't know. But if it turns out to be 5000 lbs on the trailer I will have to move forward from there.
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    Also Nicky, if everything is extra why do the RZR and R20 have different published weights. They are the exact same hull, the part you are saying gets weighed. Also is the information you are sharing from Tige directly or are you just sharing information you believe to be correct or an opinion. I would hate to base my decision on internet rumors. Can you direct me to where manufactures share how their boats are weighed and what is included in the totals as you said you are sure all companies do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boardman74 View Post
    Nicky, I'm not saying the weight isn't going to vary a small amount. I am no stranger to boats. I have owned...well to many and probably more than 99% on here if their not a dealer. The RZR is standard with a tower. Its not an option. It would be a DELETE without. I don't expect them to weigh every boat, but shouldn't it be close. Stating 3100 when it's 4100 isn't even close. That 25%. How is that not deceitful? Most people don't care, but I did because.....

    I am not saying it's Tige's fault I bought a boat and a house in the same time frame. But I bought a boat based on what I could tow with the vehicle I had. I should be able to trust the manufactures published weights more than internet forums, right? If not I guess everything Nobody and the jetranger says is true!! I thought I was ok as I can safely town 4500 lbs and the boat weighed 3100. Thats in my window. We really wanted to go to a Z1, but at 4100 it was not in our window. So we went to the smaller boat to stay in the right weight range. If this was a multipurpose hull and a tower was an option it would be different. How does the R20 weigh 3075, 25 lbs less?

    I'm not saying the boat weighs 4000, that what others are saying. Until I get it on an official scale I don't know. But if it turns out to be 5000 lbs on the trailer I will have to move forward from there.
    Is that 4100lbs with speakers, amps, tank of fuel, boards...etc. Not sure how they or when they weigh the boats, but a 25% increase is a cause for concern.
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    Thats what I am saying. My boat is as close to bone stock as you can get. The only options I have to add weigh might be the stainless rub rail(if any) and maybe the swivel board racks. Also the battery wouldn't be in dry weight. I have the everything else standard. So I should come in around 3200 then in my way of thinking.

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    The listed weight of the boat is called the "dry weight". It does not include the weight of the oil in the engine let alone the stereo, speakers, batteries, or tower. As stated above, that is what is listed as the dry weight and all boat manufacturers list their weights that way, not just wakeboats but all bayliners and searays ect...

    I've weighed my boat with all the gear removed and 1/4 tank of gas and I was about 600 lbs more than the listed dry weight.
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    And I have no answer for the weight drop, someone is going to have to get an answer from Tige as to why the dry weight dropped from 3500-3100. There could be some slight differences in standard equipment from the r20 to the RZR such as the taps system, there could be enough difference for 25 lbs.
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    Actually you are incorrect. Spent lots of time working in the power sports industry. True dry weight is without all fluids and batteries. Hence the term dry vs wet weight. Standard items are in the listed dry weight. Has nothing to do with stereos or towers as they are not wet items. If that is the case it should be defined as weight without standard and optional items. As the base stereo and tower are standard items.

    As I asked Nicky can you kindly direct me to where you found this information for Tige's weighing process and also Bayliner and Sea Ray. I have combed pretty much everything on the internet and typed material available publicly and I can't find it. If it's not available on the internet, maybe your point of contact at those companies. Not that I don't trust you, but there are to many people online just spreading gossip and rumors. I am trying to get to the bottom of this so would like facts,not internet fallacy and gossip.

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    There is no difference in the taps system between the boats. Also you stated standard equipment like towers and stereos weren't part of the dry weight? If that is true they wouldn't be part for either boat. So there should be no difference between the boats. I wish I could get an answer from Tige.

    My guess is 25 lbs between the Alpha Z tower and cheaper tube tower on the R20. But towers aren't included in the mystery weight some people are saying. Or are they?

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    Tige has always been very responsive whenever I have asked a question. Try contacting them directly: http://www.tige.com/connect/contact-us

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    I ordered heavier axles on my tandem trailer with the Z3, and that was just based on my estimate of gas and gear, and residual ballast water. I didn't even think about the possibility that the weight of the tower, stereo etc was not included. I guess I can believe that the stereo and speakers wouldn't be included in the listed weight because of the options available, but the tower perplexes me. What about the swim platform, wakeplate, running gear, etc. Seems like a silly way to represent the weight of the boat, even if it meets gov't regs on disclosure (wouldn't be the first time a gov't reg didn't make sense) and where common sense would prevail and the manufacturers would present a more accurate weight.
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    Don't worry about your z3 I'm understanding this as an RZR/r20 issue ONLY so they can make weight size requirements for lakes, who knows but there sure isn't 900 kind worth if gas and options on the boat test boat. The heavier my my boat is the happier i am

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    My source for the dry weight is a boating magazine article I read about 20 years ago. You are right about dry weight including standard features and someone on TO posted a few years ago that the tower and stereo are not standard equipment, and I think that's how it's listed on my bill of sale, I'll check when I get home. I used to keep all my back issues of boating magazine but my wife made me get rid of most of them last time I moved. I'll track down some more sources over the weekend if I can find them.

    Bottom line, boats always weigh more than the listed dry weight, by 300-500 lbs in my experience.
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