Factory Ballast tank dimensions

[holiday13]

Does anyone know what the dimensions are of the factory ballast tanks, or what the total weight each adds when full? I know that the factory system is 1000 pounds but I think the rear tanks hold more than the fronts. Thanks for the help!

[Tige M.D.]

pretty sure that would be a perfect question for your sales person to answere.

[Gardyloo03]

the factory ballast for 05 is 800 pounds, just a side note its 4 200 pound tanks i believe.

[holiday13]

Originally posted by Tige M.D.
pretty sure that would be a perfect question for your sales person to answere.

I already have the boat and am doing my own ballast system and am trying to decide between doing sacs or seeing about ordering the hard tanks, decisions desicions desicions. I got to see a tank and it looked to hold more than 200 pounds worth but I could be wrong, if that is the case then I am better off with sacs and building my own hard covers for the sacs.

[Matt Garcia]

I personally would choose sacs just because you dont have to sacrifice space.

[holiday13]

I hear you, but what I am looking at is with sacs I really can't store anything on top of them when they are full or empty because of possibly tearing them, where with the hard tanks I will not be worried. I am not looking at putting a ton of stuff back there but I feel it would make the space, even though less, more use-able.

[lee]

The tanks in the front are close to 1/4th the size of the rear tanks. I have been unable to get a weight of the tanks, front or back. We might to take a tank out and fill it then weigh it. We are designing a bag that will fit in the front of 22v's and 24v's to use in ballast installs.

[Paublo]

On my 22V, for my rear bags, I use ones with the covers. That is durable enough that nothing is going to tear or puncture them. I never think twice about standing on them, or sliding or dropping boards with fins over the top of the bag cover.

For the front bags we left off the cover- it just isn't needed. I'm not sure of the actual dimensions, but they are probably about 14" dia. and 30" long. They lay out under the seats and overlap each other up in the nose of the boat. We fill them until they overflow and they fill the compartment completely. We figure that they weigh around 250# to 275# total. With 3- 65# lead bars, that makes it about 450# in the front.

You could use the much larger compartments behind the front seat backs, but then the weight in not as for forward. Another option is to put a bag under the bow filler cushion. This will add about 300# up front that is basically hidden.

You have a lot of options.

[raythompson]

Originally posted by lee
The tanks in the front are close to 1/4th the size of the rear tanks. I have been unable to get a weight of the tanks, front or back. We might to take a tank out and fill it then weigh it. We are designing a bag that will fit in the front of 22v's and 24v's to use in ballast installs.
Just figure 7 pounds per gallon of water. You should know the number of gallons a tank will hold.

[lee]

Do not know the volume of the tanks yet. Need to either measure them or fill them with water.

[Tige M.D.]

fresh water weighs 8.35 lbs per gallon, 62.4 lbs. per cubic foot
salt water weighs 8.5 lbs. per gallon, 63.5 lbs. per cubic foot

if you know the gallons or dimensions of your bags or tanks just do the math. hope this helps?

i like the idea of a soft bag vs. a tank. with the bag, you can build a false floor over the top so you don't lose all your storage and you don't lose small items under the bag or between it and bulkheads.

when you do the math, you'd be suprised at how much weight you can
fit into a small area or how much room you still have with 2000lbs of H2O in the boat.

[raythompson]

Originally posted by Tige M.D.
how much room you still have with 2000lbs of H2O in the boat.
Be careful. That much weight will put you very close to the weight limits established by the manufacturer for the boat. Add a couple of people and you are over.

Don't know about other states but in TN if TWRA catches you with full bags and four or five people in the boat a citation (an expensive one) will be issued.

[holiday13]

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i like the idea of a soft bag vs. a tank. with the bag, you can build a false floor over the top so you don't lose all your storage and you don't lose small items under the bag or between it and bulkheads.
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That is the other option but with the cost of the tanks right from Tige it would be worth while to just buy the tanks rather than the sacs then build the tops and get the right carpet to cover them. Plus I am stubborn and will not be happy till I know how much these tanks hold:D

[lee]

I guess I will have to out in the shop and measure some and let you guys decide the weight.

[Matt Garcia]

Originally posted by raythompson
Be careful. That much weight will put you very close to the weight limits established by the manufacturer for the boat. Add a couple of people and you are over.


Every wakeboard boat that I have ever been in has had at least 1500 - 2000 pounds of ballast plus 4- 8 people. Hardly anyone I know rides with stock ballast.

Most people want the most weight in there boats, wether they are beginner riders or expert riders. And for the people who dont believe in that much ballast will eventually get it....I see it happen all the time.. :D

[lee]

Front tank= 20"x16.5"x11"
Rear tank= 49"x20.5"x9"

Go figure!

[lee]

Guessing

Front= 131.08
Rear = 399.01

[holiday13]

I am coming up with (off your measurements) 5.23 cubic feet of water in the front tank. Each cubic foot has 7.48 gallons, therefor giving 39.12 gallons at 8 pounds a gallon equals 312.96 pounds. All measurements and conversions I found at www.onlineconversion.com

Front tank I am coming up with 2.1 cubic feet of water times 7.48 gallons per cubic foot equals 15.708 gallons times 8 pounds a gallon gives a mear 125.664 pounds. So the factory system comes in at 877.248 pounds.

[Tige M.D.]

the guys here at the shop think anything over 1800lbs. is dagerous. the boats steering gets lazy. i've heard of people putting so much ballast in
their boats (not a tige) that they won't turn. just leaned over and kept
going straight. not good.

[Gardyloo03]

I am not an engineer but i have had it explained to me that the use of excessive weight is silly for the fact that due to hyrdrodynamics you can only add so much effective weight to a boat. anything past that doesnt do anything to the wake size it just gives the boat bad driving characteristics.

[holiday13]

I can say that I had 1600 pounds of ballast in my 24v with 10 adults and the boat was slower to react but still turned OK. I was suprised though that the added weight of all the people did not help the wake that much, we were surfing at the time, but I found a better surf wake with 6 people and about 1000 pounds, goes along with what Gardyloo03 said.

[brd4fun]

As for the Factory Ballast I have been asking for months to get an actual weight. So ya to Lee for finally getting a weight.

If you are interested in adding more weight, the bag Lee has designed for the bow is great (looks great and is should add around 600 lbs) With a 22 or 24V it is very important to have as much weight if not more in the bow of the boat.

I am on my 4th Tige and have never been able to over-load mine, since the new design when it changed to the 22V from the 21V.

My last boat 03 22V had a custom ballast put in by Lee it had around 2,300 lbs + 600 lbs of lead and the wake rocked it was better than any other boat I have ever ridden behind, add 8 people and prepare to break a few more boards.

[Gardyloo03]

Lee im looking for a custom ballast system for my 22v what can you do?

[lee]

We just use a modified Rival system tuned to our liking. We try to adapt to the customers needs. Like the guy [B]brd4fun[/B[ he wants a wake big enough that he can go out and break any wakeboard into two parts on a fashion air.

[Matt Garcia]

Originally posted by lee
Like the guy [B]brd4fun[/B[ he wants a wake big enough that he can go out and break any wakeboard into two parts on a fashion air.

Shoot, fashion airs are saaweett, thats a technical move. :cool:

brd4fun, do you have a picture of that wake? I bet that thing is a beast.

[lee]

Here is one from his boat surfing. As you can see there is some human ballast in the picture.http://www.skihut.com/image/22vSurfWake.jpg

[Matt Garcia]

Drooling, Droooling.... :eek:

Very nice! You shouldnt have to hold the rope with that size of a wave!

[holiday13]

Lee, how does he have his weight distributed in the boat to get that wake? We were playing the last part of the summer and did not have a wake nearly as nice. What speed also? Thanks

[brd4fun]

I had two Tige Pro sacs on each side of the engine (approx weight 7 to 8 hendred lbs each) Two Rival bags in the bow (250 to 325 lbs each)
4 Tige carpeted lead bars in the front area (100 lbs each) two additional Tige carpeted lead bars mid area (100 lbs each) also add 4 to 5 people all on the side of the boat where someone is surfing and toward the rear of the boat.
We normally set the Perfect Pass at 13 MPH with TAPS on 5 the wake is always better on the left side. Too bad for me as I am Goofy foot.

I will look and see if I have a pic of the wake while wakeboarding as it really rocks.

My 5 year old can barely see over the wake.

[brd4fun]

I meant to say two Tige Pro sacks, One on each side.

[smendez]

Take a picture of someone trying to slalom behind that boat with a full wake and then you got something ;)