hmmm... possible?

[Ruune]

ok... maybe I'm just a glutton for power, but SOMEDAY I'd like to drop one of these in my 22v:
http://www.cmdmarine.com/pdfs/18280303.pdf

Its a 4.2L mercruiser/cummins I-6 twin turbodiesel. Yep. 300-320 ponies (depending on what docs you read) and about 475lb-feet of torque at 2300 RPM. :eek: :eek: :eek:

Being that its a smaller displacement, diesel, and runs at lower RPMs, this thing should burn considerably less fuel than a comparable gad V-8, plus you get that killer cummins turbo whine.

On a related note, theres been a lot of discussion on the wakeboarder.com boards re: diesels being offered in '06 or possibly '07. Whats Tigés stance on this?

[Tige M.D.]

i LOVE diesels. i have a duromax in my truck and love it. i delt with small and very large diesels in the USCG. very powerful, efficient, and reliable. what more can you ask for? only problem is finding fuel oil on the smaller lakes.

[flackpack]

Tige' MD - How many horses and lb./ft torque are you pushing now in your Duramax? Last time I saw it you were about to put in the programming and new exhaust.

[dslkd]

I have a GMC Duramax and would love to have one in my Tige you would have no problem pulling anyone out with alot of weight in the boat. How much lb/fts of torque can the drives handel? It would be alittle more expensive but well worth it not to mention hop-up's would be really easy. My truck with a few modifications is putting around 400hp & 800lb/ft to the ground jsut imagine the possibilities!:D

[forjar]

Tige MD

I saw that you said you were in the USCG. How long and where were you stationed? I was also in the USCG for 9 years.

John

[Tige M.D.]

flackpack, my truck is pushing about 490hp and 850lbs/ft torq. it will run 0-60 in under 6 seconds:D

forjar, i was active duty from march 91' to march 95' and inactive reserve till march 99'. i was in cape may hotel company 136, served aboard uscgc venturous (wmec 625) in san pedro/terminal island 9/11/91 as an fnmk and cross decked to uscgc steadfast (wmec 623?) in astoria oregon till i discharged as an mk2. i had so many responsabilities it was amazing i did'nt go insane. drank and smoked alot:(but never lost it). if you were ever at sea on a cutter you should recognize this title F.O.W.K. that was me for 2 1/2 years. 18+ hours a day 7 days a week for 12-16 weeks at a time. civilian life is such a cake walk. i do really miss the comradory. shipmates for life.

i don't know about you, but i miss the heck out of it. i had 2 friends just get back from iraq, 1 with a purple heart. i feel like i should have been there. 35 is a little too old i guess.

GOD BLESS THE U.S. ARMED FORCES AND ALL WHO SERVE!

have you been to the web site freds place.org? it is a reunion hall for us coasties. looking forward to hearing where you were and when you were in.

[forjar]

Tige M.D.

It is always nice to hear from fellow coasties. I was in from 91 - 99 on active duty. I was in Bravo 138, going through good 'ol Cape May. I spent 2 years in Hawaii on the USCGC Jarvis as a FN, then finally got the chance to go to avaition school. Spend 3 years in San Francisco workign on the HH-60 helo's, then transfered to San Diego for the final 4 years. Got out in 99 as an AMT2. I will have to agree with you that I do miss it at times and also agree with you about how the civilian life and work is a cake walk. The biggest thing that I miss is the comradory to.

As for Fred's Place have not been there in a while, but do go by once in awhile to see if there are any new people posting.

John

[Tige M.D.]

aviation huh? do you remember a avaition structural tech by the name of pat hirst? he was at air station los angeles till around 99'. i know you aviators are a pretty close knit group. high endurance cutter jarvis, i tried for that out of boot camp. ended up going straight to yorktown va. for mka school. got stuck on a 210' for my entire tour. 2 years 10 months actually at sea. 13 patrols, shell back, panama canal twice, bermuda triangle twice, missed my polar bear by 3 days, 45 foot seas in alaska, had to relieve the cutter hamilton after she lost her 5" gun and twisted the bow 17 deg to port. we alomost lost the venturous a few days later during a 51deg roll to port. anything more than 52deg and she goes over. GOOD TIMES! just not enough pay. if the pay was alot better i would have been a lifer for sure.

[Gardyloo03]

Ive got a 79' scout II with a Nissan turbo diesel. Lets talk torque they put that engine in caterpillar earth movers.

[forjar]

Tige M.D.

The name Pat Hirst sound familiar, but if I have met him I don't remember. If you talk to him ask him if he knows a guy named Sherrod Young. He was also stationed there at Air Station L.A. for a while.

John

[bfrank]

Man this would be awesome!!! I wonder if you would have to worry about the cold effecting it at all.

[Tige M.D.]

it would absolutely need a hot start in cold weather. but if it is that cold then you will probably be sitting by a fire having a cocktail.
i have 2 more questions. 1) diesels are noisey, mechanically, is that acceptible? 2) diesels stink. alot of people gag at the smell.

[bfrank]

Personally the louder the better in my books!!!! When you live in Wisconsin you have to get out as much as you can, and yes a few cocktails help with the cold water courage!!!!!

[Ruune]

the newer diesels arent THAT loud, but they still sound cool. As far as the smell, if exhaust was routed down through the bottom of the hull, behind the prop, the gases would be cooled, and also pushed away from the boat by the thrust of the prop. Personally, I like the smell of diesel.

[Tige M.D.]

what about cost? i know in my truck it was a huge upgrade. could you see spending another 5-8k on a engine upgrade? i could'nt.

[bfrank]

Here is an Malibu that they put a diesel in:



MarineDiesel is changing the face of towed watersports with their supercharged V8 diesel engine.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
June 7, 2004



Although the diesel market has quickly been closing the performance gap between gas and diesel marine engines. To date the Ski & Wake Board boat market has seen little exposure to true diesel torque. That is until now! Because of MarineDiesel’s unique low-rpm torue characteristics we can enthusiastically claim that we offer the only diesel engine suited perfectly for the Ski & Wake Board industry. Because of this fact, MarineDiesel’s recent North & South American product availability certainly hasn’t gone unnoticed.

The MarineDiesel product is the only V8 configured product that matches the mounting configuration of the standard 350/454 gas engines which are the norm for the Tow Sport industry. What does this mean to the consumer? The opportunity has finally arrived in which they can specify their desired boat be built with diesel propulsion, while not requiring the boat builder to make countless changes accommodating the the diesel option. Along with it’s packaging benefits the intercooled/supercharged MarineDiesel product offers the extreme low end torque required in Tow Sport applications. Other competitive smaller displacement turbo charged diesel’s simply don’t compare. Before MarineDiesel entered the market the main issue faced was that while competitive inline 4 cylinder engine configurations can package in the standard ski boat (with modifications) they simply don’t produce the required torque. Competitive inline 6 cylinder engines, although offering better torque than the 4 cylinder engines, simply will not package properly. As compared to the V8 configuration of the MarineDiesel the competitive inline 6 cylinder engines don’t offer the “Supercharged” low-rpm torque characteristics of the MarineDiesel.

MarineDiesel offers the first Ski & Wakeboard diesel propulsion system that matches the performance (both acceleration and top speed) of the 300+ Hp small V8 gas engine options while yielding 35%-40% savings in fuel consumption. At todays increasing gas prices who can’t afford to explore the opportunities?

Direct link to the page ( even has pictures of the motor in the boat!) (http://www.malibuboatowners.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=96)

[Tip]

The fuel economy and torque would be nice but I'm not sure I could deal with the fumes. Another hurdle is going to be cost. The price of boats is expensive enough as it is, adding $5000-$7000 more for the diesel option would take 5-8 years (at a rate of 200 hours per year) just to break even on the fuel savings.

I'm not sure I could justify the extra cost, but then again, how can any of us justify the 45k we've spent on our Tiges? I guess we just love em!

Regardless of what I think, I'm confident that if the Diesel is offered as an option, someone will buy them.

[Tige M.D.]

for immediate release june 7. 04???????

why have we not seen this monster yet? that thing is way too big. that engine box is huge, way bigger than the 2000slm with the 454mag. looks like you need an extra tall ski pylon to get over the hump.

did you read the thread following the pictures? looked to me like only 2 malibu owners liked it. i'm kinda thinking the towboaters are not quite ready for this yet. look how long it is taking for pick up truck owners to come around.