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BulletLines

01-19-2009, 03:52 AM

I've been watching the shadow caster thread, and I want to offer Tige owners a group buy also.. Use the follow link to purchase our LEDs at $139.99each. BTW - No one is getting free lights as suggested in the shadow caster thread.

Bullet Lines' Under Water Transom LEDs. 6 x bulb LEDs in water proof stainless steel casing. Our LEDs are super bright, and will light up to 30' of water (depending on water clarity) behind your boat in 180 degrees. These lights were designed by Bullet Lines to out perform all other brands in brightness (Lumens), power consumption, heat, and ease of installation. LEDs mount to the rear wall (transom)of your boat under water, and come in your choice of white, blue, or red.

Features

Lights up to 30' of water.
Water proof stainless steel casing
Easy installation.
Low power consumption
Lumens: 360
Voltage: DC 12V
Power: 6W
Peak Angle: 180 degrees

http://www.bulletlines.com/servlet/the-90/Underwater-Marine-Lights--dsh-/Detail

http://www.bulletlines.com/images/blue_transom_led.jpg

Ken Land
Bullet Lines / Krypt Towers
www.bulletlines.com

lee

01-19-2009, 12:51 PM

The link shows $169.99 for the price.

Eastern shore wake

01-21-2009, 09:16 PM

Hi, appreciate you offering us this group buy. Had a few questions about the lights. The link says $169.99 each. I assume group buy price is $139.99 each, correct? Also, how difficult is installation? What else do you need to buy for the installation?
Thanks!!!!

Timmy!

01-21-2009, 10:27 PM

That seems like a much more affordable price to me than the shadow caster. It looks like the other brand has a much higher lumens output though.

FacePlant

01-21-2009, 10:53 PM

That's a little more like it. I really like the Shadow Casters as well, but the price is right on these if they are even half as good......

Tanner

01-22-2009, 04:55 AM

Perfect timing.... I've been meaning to order some of yours.... especially after I saw the shadow caster pricing! :)

PLUS you have red!!!!

illiniboarder88

01-22-2009, 01:38 PM

Just my 2 cents worth on this. I bought something (handle) from this particular vender a few years ago, and I was not very happy with the overall experience (product or service). At the time, I looked at the price, looked at the pics, and thought it was a steal. It was considerably cheaper than what I thought were the equivalents from other vendors, so I pulled the trigger. I sort of got what I paid for, and it wasn't long before I replaced it with something else. I'm not trying to bash Ken. I just urge you to do your homework. A handle/line was relatively painless to replace. Underwater lights require holes in your hull, so I am guessing you only want to do this once. While I did not have a very good experience, a couple of friends have had pretty solid ones. I will also say that it was a couple years ago. I used one of his newer handles last summer, and it was considerably better than the one I had gotten from him.

chadster2

01-22-2009, 04:13 PM

When this is done please post your pics and stories.
I'm thinking more is better, but untill I know I'm out
If I was needing a bedroom night light I'd use 40 watt
If I wanted to light up my driveway 200 watt flood light
I know we are not talking watts but just the same it depends
what your triing to do:02:
If I wanted to light up a small swim area behind the boat
I'd get a $15 fishing light from walmart
(they work great for that)

chadster2

01-22-2009, 04:20 PM

Starfire II Underwater Fishing Light

BulletLines

01-22-2009, 05:06 PM

I'm sorry for the delay in getting back to you, I thought I had this thread set to email me when a reply is posted.. Thank you to Talltigeguy for emailing me about the discussion.

I must have posted a bad link.. Here is the link again with the group buy offer: http://www.bulletlines.com/servlet/the-94/Tige-Owners-Group-Buy/Detail

Illiniboarder88- I'm sorry to hear about your experience. If you still have the handle, I'll be happy to replace it as long as it was a defective handle. Did you purchase a Poly Handle or Spectra Handle? What Color? What kind of grip?

Chadster- We are talking watts here. The reason people are not going out and purchasing swimming pool lights is because no one has the room needed for the nuclear power plant to run them. Also our LEDs have a life expectancy of up to 50,000 hours at 12.5v. Our lights will produce 360 Lumens at 12.5v and draw only 6 watts of power. Noticed I said 12.5v: most boats with the engine on will produce 13.5v, so our lights will burn brighter than 360 Lumens. However, the draw back is the lights will burn out faster.

Service and Warranty: Simply give us a call or email us for service. We warranty all our products.. These LEDs have a 1 year from manufacturer defect.

Installation is relatively simple, but we do suggest you install by a professional on anything electrical. I can install 2 LEDs in about 1 hour when tapping into existing courtesy lights. It takes me about 2 hours when I run new wire an connect to a new switch. Below is a cut and paste of the install guide:

Bullet Lines x6000 LED install guide

Important – For Safety LED Should Be Installed by a Professional – Must be installed under water line, and only used when submerged – Be sure inside of hull is free and clear in the mounting area before drilling – Countersink all drilled holes to avoid gel coat cracking.

Do not drive with LEDs on unless you check with your local, state, and federal waterway laws first.

Center Hole: Use ½” drill bit and drill ¼” (don’t drill all the way through fiberglass) deep: in the center of your hole drill all the way through your transom with a 3/16” drill bit.. Push LED wire through hole, hold LED flat against surface and mark mounting holes through eyelets. Mounting holes: Use 1/8” drill bit and drill ½” (don’t drill all the way through fiberglass) deep.

Fill up all countersink and screw holes with a quality marine grade underwater sealant.

Take LED and slide wire through center hole all the way into hull of boat. Make a ¼” bead of sealant tight around wire inside and outside of hull. Slowly push LED into position over mounting holes and slowly tighten mounting screws in holes.
Electrical connection: Attach provided inline fuse to red positive wire, and then attach positive wire to positive connection. Attach other color wire to a negative connection. Be sure positive connection is equipped with 2 amp circuit protection and that voltage is not higher than DC12.5V. Voltage with the boat engine on will be higher than 12.5v, the LEDs will be brighter, but the higher voltage will lower life expectancy of the LEDs. You can choose to add a simple voltage regulator if you are concerned.

Ken Land
Bullet Lines
www.bulletlines.com

illiniboarder88

01-22-2009, 05:17 PM

Ken, no need to do that, and I appreciate the offer. It wasn't defective, per se, but it wasn't what I thought I was getting. It happens.

talltigeguy

01-22-2009, 05:24 PM

Service and Warranty: Simply give us a call or email us for service. We warranty all our products.. These LEDs have a 1 year from manufacturer defect.

Important – For Safety LED Should Be Installed by a Professional – Must be installed under water line, and only used when submerged – Be sure inside of hull is free and clear in the mounting area before drilling – Countersink all drilled holes to avoid gel coat cracking.

Good to hear that you have all intention of backing up the product.

Using only when submerged...I think it would be OK when driving, they would get hot on the ramp is what you mean here, right? I also read about the life expectancy with the increased voltage.

Do you generally mean that you won't get 50K hours out of them at 13.5V? Or do you mean you might be lucky to have them last one season at 13.5V? I would certainly anticipate that the lights would get less hours than the motor in any given season, so definitely less than 75-100 hours for me.

chadster2

01-22-2009, 05:32 PM

good come back, I'm impressed
Did I say pool? I'm sorry, I meant to say fishing.
Is Jake a friend of yours?
You seem to have some things in common.
I know my Ideas are out there. This conversation started a year ago
when I ask what was the best way to light up (behind the boat).

BulletLines

01-22-2009, 05:50 PM

talltigeguy,

Our LEDs use a proprietary heat dispursing system, so our lights will run cooler than others. As long as a little bit of water is splashing against the LEDs they should be fine. We say to only use when submerged because we do not want people leaving them on outside of water. I use my LEDs while driving all the time..

No, you will not get 50,000 hours out of them at 13.5v. I would say that the average user should get at least 1000 hours before a burn out. Your boat will probably be in the junk yard before you use your LEDs for 1000 hours. Please remember that there are many factors when determining life of the LEDs: power, condition of electrical system(spikes in power), and heat. As the install guide says: if you are worried about the amount of power being sent to the light, then simply install a passive voltage regulator: these can be purchased under $10.

Chadster,

Sorry, I misread your post. You did say fishing light.

Ken

chadster2

01-22-2009, 07:19 PM

If someone in Atlanta area has them installed, I'd love to have
a look see at night some time.

Tanner

01-22-2009, 11:17 PM

Tanner

01-23-2009, 12:08 AM

BTW,

Ken check your PM's please.

da.bell

01-23-2009, 12:15 AM

I also got a handle and a rope from Bullet. Both worked out for two seasons and I was only expecting it to last one season. :ro:

GIZMO

01-23-2009, 03:49 AM

Center Hole: Use ½” drill bit and drill ¼” ??

What does the back look like? why does it need this hole?

xpjim1

01-23-2009, 04:12 AM

Center Hole: Use ½” drill bit and drill ¼” ??

What does the back look like? why does it need this hole?

Keep reading. You will then use a smaller drill bit and go all the way through the transom. This is where the wires get inside the boat. Like countersinking so you can seal the wires good with sealant

GIZMO

01-23-2009, 03:13 PM

xpjim1

01-23-2009, 03:49 PM

Seems like a big hole just to hold sealant, a gasket would be way better (IMO). If this light fails 5 years from now and a replacement is not available that’s going to be a big hole to cover. If you only had to drill 4 small holes you could easily just install some stainless screws to plug the holes and be done with it.

Its only 1/2 inch hole a 1/4 inch deep. Thats prettys small in my opinion. If the light fails you could just leave it installed or fill the smaller whole through the transom with sealant and gelcoat over the 1/2 by 1/4 inch hole

If you are that concerned by a spare light now. I am sure Ken would appreciate it:)

GIZMO

01-23-2009, 04:01 PM

Just don’t like the mental image of holding a ½” drill bit to the transom of a $30k to $60k Tige. Does anyone have a used Cobalt I could practice on?:D

xpjim1

01-23-2009, 04:06 PM

Just don’t like the mental image of holding a ½” drill bit to transom of a $30k to $60k Tige. Does anyone have a used Cobalt I could practice on?:D

Try installing a ballast system holding a 1 7/8 inch hole saw to the transom and drilling thru the 1 3/4 inch thick transom. You only get one shot at getting it right:eek: if you miss that is a big hole to deal with :)

lee

01-23-2009, 06:02 PM

noworries

01-23-2009, 06:48 PM

Try installing a ballast system holding a 1 7/8 inch hole saw to the transom and drilling thru the 1 3/4 inch thick transom. You only get one shot at getting it right:eek: if you miss that is a big hole to deal with :)

Use a very small drill first then verify where it punches through before drilling the big hole. That's how I located my Perfect Pass in the hull bottom. I actually moved the larger hole a half inch or so after seeing where the small drill came through into the bilge.

dogbert

01-24-2009, 02:49 AM

talltigeguy,

It's McTallguy now ;)

jake

02-16-2009, 09:42 PM

Bulletlines could be a repackaged name of another manufacturer.

But for what it's worth, check out this link that shows comparisions.
Someone took the time and did an example in a swimming pool.
When you look at pricing....it's pretty clear you get what you pay for.

Now...if you willing to sink $1200 bucks, then you'll be king of "super blue", cause your eyes will immediately go to the SuperNova 2010, which is a 50 watt Xenon that weights 6.2 lbs (each). Thus, sould give you a slightly better wake.

http://www.yachtlights.com/gallery/album19

I'k like to know if anybody has spent 2K+ on transome underwater lights????

CrazyJ83

02-17-2009, 03:28 AM

Can we get a group buy on the Krypt Towers polished aluminum 5 light wakeboard tower light bar too. then I could take care of all my lighting needs in one stop. Will just a thought.
Thanks Ken

rcaroll

02-17-2009, 11:46 PM

Does anyone have any pictures of these lights installed and pics in the water? Ken, do you have any additional pics? I want to place my order but would like to see more

chpthril

02-17-2009, 11:52 PM

Does anyone have any pictures of these lights installed and pics in the water? Ken, do you have any additional pics? I want to place my order but would like to see more

Here are a few pics of the Shadow Caster Marine LED's if you're interested!

http://www.tigeowners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8794

xpjim1

02-18-2009, 01:50 AM

I have two of Kens lights but have not installed them yet. Got them from the group buy last year on WW. They look to be good quality. Hopefully will have installed sometime in March

TigeDuner

02-18-2009, 01:14 PM

XP-how was the pricing last year?

TigeDuner

02-18-2009, 01:17 PM

XP-Which color did you get? I am assuming that white is the color of choice......

CrazyJ83

02-18-2009, 04:09 PM

Wait its 139.99 per Light???
I thought that was for a pair??
and whats up can we get the Group buy on the 5 light bar too?

xpjim1

02-18-2009, 05:05 PM

XP-how was the pricing last year?

It was back in September of last year before they were even introduced to the market. You had to email Ken and get on the list. When they were ready he sent you an email with a link to pay. One time deal.

I got blue because they looked cool in the Mastercraft Pictures

Here is the thread in WW where Ken made his generous offer
http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/65921/616160.html

TigeDuner

02-18-2009, 06:00 PM

Have you had a chance to see the blue vs. the white?

xpjim1

02-18-2009, 06:18 PM

No. Only lights I have ever seen on in the water was the original tige underwater lights which were white. I am really interested to see how the blue looks in the fine Havasu water:)

G-MONEY

02-18-2009, 08:42 PM

No. Only lights I have ever seen on in the water was the original tige underwater lights which were white. I am really interested to see how the blue looks in the fine Havasu water:)

it will look better then Lake Elsinore water;)

mtnsmith

02-18-2009, 11:39 PM

With my shadow-caster experience the blue shows up much better than the white. If you think of the spectrum of light absorbed and reflected by water, blue is reflected the most and therefore looks the brightest. The brightest light I've seen in the water is the xenon lights, which do have a blue hue naturally, but were over $3k each, the boat I saw them on, a 70-foot sunseeker, was a $6million boat.

zad0030

02-18-2009, 11:44 PM

I dont see the need to light up your platform like the vegas strip or as if a 747 were to land on it. :02:

Unless you opted for the factory installed stripper pole, then its totally necessary :D

chpthril

02-19-2009, 12:20 AM

I dont see the need to light up your platform like the vegas strip or as if a 747 were to land on it. :02:

Unless you opted for the factory installed stripper pole, then its totally necessary :D

You need to drop the plank and take up surfing :ro:

Tanner

02-19-2009, 05:09 AM

Man I sure wish Ken would answer his PM's...lol.

Anyone have any pics of a red transom light.... ANY BRAND... or hell.... regular LED's under the platform for that matter?

chpthril

02-19-2009, 10:11 PM

Man I sure wish Ken would answer his PM's...lol.

Anyone have any pics of a red transom light.... ANY BRAND... or hell.... regular LED's under the platform for that matter?

The other LED group-buy is monitored daily ;) :D :ro:

ImaPigDog

02-19-2009, 11:10 PM

Anyone have any pics of a red transom light.... ANY BRAND... or hell.... regular LED's under the platform for that matter?

Most, if not all, the manufacturers do not use red for the underwater lights because the red color doesn't travel as far in the water. :mad: Blue and green are the brightest, then white.

Tim

Tanner

02-19-2009, 11:18 PM

The other LED group-buy is monitored daily ;) :D :ro:

Yep... but NO RED!!!!

Had they not been originally been proclaimed as affordable, then I might had considered them. But when the pricing finally came out and they went against everything they started out as being... well.... I decided I could do w/o. I'll more than likely just end up w/ the abyss's! :(

Imagapigdog.... I realize the red doesn't travel very far. I'm more going for the glowing effect around the boat... than seeing for a billion miles under the water.

mtnsmith

02-19-2009, 11:22 PM

Based on light output, the shadow-casters are the most affordable light out there, sorry you feel you were dupped, we never claimed they would be the price of the bullet lines light or the abyss, we claimed they would be bright and the best price for what you get, and they are. Enjoy the modest light output of the abyss lights.

chpthril

02-19-2009, 11:40 PM

Yep... but NO RED!!!!

Had they not been originally been proclaimed as affordable, then I might had considered them. But when the pricing finally came out and they went against everything they started out as being... well.... I decided I could do w/o. I'll more than likely just end up w/ the abyss's! :(

Imagapigdog.... I realize the red doesn't travel very far. I'm more going for the glowing effect around the boat... than seeing for a billion miles under the water.

Based on light output, the shadow-casters are the most affordable light out there, sorry you feel you were dupped, we never claimed they would be the price of the bullet lines light or the abyss, we claimed they would be bright and the best price for what you get, and they are. Enjoy the modest light output of the abyss lights.

Dollar for dollar, luman to luman, the Shadow Casters are a better performing, higher output light.

http://www.tigeowners.com/forum/showpost.php?p=283976&postcount=56

Tanner

02-20-2009, 12:04 AM

Don't get your panties in a wad there Mtn. I think you guys make a great product... and watched w/ anticipation as your build and testing progressed. I've seen your specs and realize what your offering. Actually if you'll read your original thread I was posting right along waiting in anticipation for them. Until of course the pricing came out. I realize you guys had alot of R&D and set-up costs, but I think you guys missed the market by breaking the $300 mark. If you'll read through the thread, this is what alot of us were screaming for, and going back and reading you never hinted it would come close to that. About the only thing you ever said as far as pricing was, Like I said, I could be wrong about the watts, amps, and temp...not my thing, I'm just wanting some good looking transom lights for lots less than $5-600 each. I'll ask him for some specs tomorrow. Unfortunately for me you, actually hit that exact mark you were looking to avoid. I have no doubt that you'll sell a bunch of lights to some of the larger boats. I wish your friends luck in their endeavor. For me however, the lighting is just not that important. I'd rather run three or 4 of Ken's lights for the price of 1 of these lights, even if I don't achieve the same level of brightness.

Of course the big thing for me is NO RED! Yes I realize why... but it's still what I want.

mtnsmith

02-20-2009, 01:12 AM

No worries, I'm not the one selling them nor do I have money tied up. You said you'd end up with abyss lights, they do not make a red light either though.

Tanner

02-20-2009, 03:32 AM

No worries, I'm not the one selling them nor do I have money tied up. You said you'd end up with abyss lights, they do not make a red light either though.

I didn't mean to say the abyss... Whichever lights Tige has as the factory option. I realize no red... but there's something to be said for not having to spend my time installing them.

xpjim1

02-20-2009, 06:41 AM

But Bullet Lines has red. I was not out to be the brightest but just wanted some lighting to add to the nightime ambiance that did not break the bank.

jake

02-20-2009, 10:47 AM

Dollar for dollar, luman to luman, the Shadow Casters are a better performing, higher output light.

http://www.tigeowners.com/forum/showpost.php?p=283976&postcount=56

What about Dollar for Yen?

TigeDuner

02-20-2009, 11:37 AM

Whats a yen?????????:D:D:D

jake

02-20-2009, 01:23 PM

Whats a yen?????????:D:D:D

Sorry about that....I meant Yuan.

I need to know if the Luminescence is the same since their's a value (currency) differencation. Also, we know there is a salinity differencation between the Gulf of Mexico and the Pacific, how will the effect the product. Keeping in mind that the product was not tested under any ASTM standard, most of the claims about this product are opinion and leaves doubt to the accuracy of the performance claims. This brings us back to Ocean LED. They are ungodly expensive, yet there is signifigant value. The specifications are verified by certified laboratory standards including ASTM certified testing. Do I risk quality for the sake of price?

In my opinion, if I bought "one" OceanLed 2010 I know what I'm getting, all doubts are removed. What I really want is a SuperNova, but the price is totally insane for my small budget. On the flip side.......it accomplishes it's goal in quality, relaibility, and performance.

All the low end LED's are made over here in China, while all the high performance LED's are made over there in US.

Here's a good link that helps understand a few matters: http://www.oceanled.com/leds_true_and_false.php

CrazyJ83

02-26-2009, 07:25 AM

Can someone tell me if I am paying 139.99 for just a single light or is this for the Pair?
I am about to order them but want to find out first

TigeDuner

02-26-2009, 12:34 PM

The price is for a single light. I will be ordering a pair also.

Greg Mallek

02-27-2009, 10:42 PM

Doesn't anyone have any pictures of these lights in use? I cant believe that Bullet Lines can't even provide a in the water picture.

chpthril

02-27-2009, 10:48 PM

Doesn't anyone have any pictures of these lights in use? I cant believe that Bullet Lines can't even provide a in the water picture.

The Shadow Caster LED's have quite a few in-water shots and questions are answered in almost real time :p :ro: :D

xpjim1

02-27-2009, 10:50 PM

Doesn't anyone have any pictures of these lights in use? I cant believe that Bullet Lines can't even provide a in the water picture.

Hopefully I will have some up in about 2 weeks when I get back out to the boat

Razzman

02-27-2009, 11:29 PM

I agree with both sides here. But yes, originally they were billed as "an affordable alternative", They are far from that for what most us wanted them for. And while they may have more brilliance as stated, it's impossible for a majority of us to tell as these were created in an environment that again most of us cannot duplicate.

I for one can't duplicate the luminescence of the gulf waters, but i'll sure bet ya they won't be anywhere near as bright in the lakes or the delta around here! Most of us will not be night fishing, diving or high speed running at night. Hence the "affordable" option as a requirement.

Great for a yacht and i'll bet they'll be hit with the coastal waters/yacht/lets impress crowd ... not so great for wakeboats though imo. Kinda killed the ambience requirement sadly without the red. Again just my :02:

TigeDuner

03-12-2009, 02:38 AM

[Be sure positive connection is equipped with 2 amp circuit protection and that voltage is not higher than DC12.5V. Voltage with the boat engine on will be higher than 12.5v, the LEDs will be brighter, but the higher voltage will lower life expectancy of the LEDs. You can choose to add a simple voltage regulator if you are concerned.

Ken Land
Bullet Lines
www.bulletlines.com[/QUOTE]

Ken,

I am interested in a couple. What is the OD of the light and can you give a little more info on the voltage regulator?
Thanks, TD

Anybody installed any yet?????????