Gas vs. Diesel Tow Rigs

[lightning59]

I would like input on gas vs. diesel on used trucks, any thoughts are appreciated. Total cost of ownership (oil changes,fuel and filters,batteries,repair costs) I am looking at all makes and and I have always benefited from aking the questions before buying. Models and years to stay away from etc. Thanks in advance. P.S. i don't pull my boat very often but I pull utilty trailers and always like more power than I need to barely enough to get the job done. Biggest truck I have owned was a light 3/4 Chevy, 5.7 4x4.

[NICKYPOO]

I love my Duramax/Allison. Great fuel mileage, tons of torque and very little maintenance. The Allison trany is worth every penny. I've put on one set of brakes and one fuel filter in 94,000+. Besides regular oil/fluid changes and a K&N, thats it. Best truck I've ever owned and I will not go back to gas.

[lightning59]

NICKYPOO, What model year is your rig?

[noworries]

All considered, I'll say that a diesel truck is more expensive to own than a gas truck, but probably not by much. Oil changes take 3 gallons (at 7,500 miles), fuel per mile is more even with diesel's better mileage, dual batteries, etc. Initial purchase cost is higher. But, be that as it may, now that I've got an '05 Dodge 2500 with the Cummins, I'd never own another gasoline powered full size truck again.

At least with the Dodges, the 3/4 ton and the (single rear wheel) 1-ton trucks differ only in that the 1-tons have helper springs to raise the payload some. However, I put 5,000 lbs of gravel in the bed and the 3/4 ton springs only almost touched the stops. It tows a 10K lb brick trailer over the Grapevine to LA at 65 MPH with throttle (but not EGT) to spare.

Also, the newer gasoline engines make their power at obscene RPMs for a truck. The idea of towing up a long hill at 4,000 RPM makes me cringe.

I love my diesel.

[G-MONEY]

Duramax!!!!!

There is no comparison between gas and diesel when it comes to towing. The most important question is, look at how much you tow and how far you tow. For us it's 260 miles to the lake one way so it was a no brainier. The diesel engines will out last the gas so if you are planning on keeping the truck for a long time it is a something to consider. As far as oil changes you end up changing the oil less often but it cost a lot more to do it. You also have a fuel filter you will have to change every 20-25k miles. The duramax also has a filter for the transmission.

[xpjim1]

I have a 2003 Silverado 1500HD with the 6.0 and 3.73 gears. It has 86,000 miles on it. I have had no issues and have not even replaced the brakes yet. Only issue i had was the dash cluster went out at 70,000 miles and it was replaced under a recall.

Gas milage non towing is 16-17 highway at 70 - 75 mph and about 11-12 town. MPG over 86,000 miles is 13.5. Towing i can get 9.5 mpg if I go around 60 mph. Over that it goes down to the high 7 to low 8 mpg range.

When I bought diesel trucks were about 8K more in price. There are times I wish I had the diesel power but overall I am happy with the gasser

[Domsz06]

if your going to keep a truck for over 10 years then a diesel is the way to go, if you change your rig every couple of years then gas is the way to go. The new gas rigs will pull any boat out there with plenty of power left.

That being said if you don't mind a bit more money up front then diesel is amazing. It will out pull and out last any gas job out there. Right now stay away from ford's. All new diesel's are getting stupid MPG due to the new low sulfer and the new emission requirements put on the rig. That all being said I have a 7.3 powerstroke, my bro didn't turn if off for almost 3 days and averaged 89mph from oklahoma to Steamboat springs and back. (in a blizzard too) The diesel trucks are amazing.

Personally if your not pulling far get a gas. SPBFAN has a new toyota and it pulls his 24v with power to spare.

If your going to buy used stay away from the 6.0 fords. Get a durmax with the allison tranny. Best combo you will ever have and itwill ride so much better too. If you want cheap get a dodge. If you find a steal on a ford, make sure you get a warrenty.

[Timmy!]

'07.5 Duramax here. I traded in my '03 Chevy Avalanche on it 1 year ago and have no regrets. The power is ridiculous and I can get better fuel mileage (19-20 hwy) and towing as well (12 ish vs 8) but diesel does cost more to buy. Look at trade-in or used values as well. I couldn't find a used diesel in decent shape for less $25k when I was looking a year ago and my Avalanche traded in for $14k. You pay more up front but from what I can tell it seems to hold its value better long term.

My main thing was that our lake is 55 miles away and lots of hills (plus we are at 5,000' here) and the Avalanche just felt gutless pulling the RZ2 at highway speeds.

[lightning59]

Thanks for the responses so far, keep them coming. I plan on keeping whatever I purchase for quite some time. It will be four full doors ( 3 kids ) and the occassional adult in the back. I live in the Ozark Mountains ( I know, not REAL mountains but something to consider nonetheless. Thanks again guys!!!

[Dan and Christy]

I'll echo what the others have said. I LOVE my Duramax. I have an 04 2500 HD D/A.

Pros:
More torque
Better fuel mileage
Longer engine life
Power to spare
Great turbo whine

Cons:
Higher initial cost
Oil changes are about $60

[Timmy!]

I live in the Ozark Mountains ( I know, not REAL mountains but something to consider nonetheless. Thanks again guys!!!
If you have any large hills, you will absolutely love the transmission in a diesel! It will downshift automatically for you and hold your speed down the hill as well, it won't coast on you. That is the 2nd best feature of the diesel IMO (torque is 1st).

[NICKYPOO]

NICKYPOO, What model year is your rig?

'04 GMC K2500HD Crew Cab Short Bed.

[NICKYPOO]

If you have any large hills, you will absolutely love the transmission in a diesel! It will downshift automatically for you and hold your speed down the hill as well, it won't coast on you. That is the 2nd best feature of the diesel IMO (torque is 1st).


X2!

[Fast1911]

I love my Duramax/Allison. Great fuel mileage, tons of torque and very little maintenance. The Allison trany is worth every penny. I've put on one set of brakes and one fuel filter in 94,000+. Besides regular oil/fluid changes and a K&N, thats it. Best truck I've ever owned and I will not go back to gas.

Duramax!!!!!

There is no comparison between gas and diesel when it comes to towing. The most important question is, look at how much you tow and how far you tow. For us it's 260 miles to the lake one way so it was a no brainier. The diesel engines will out last the gas so if you are planning on keeping the truck for a long time it is a something to consider. As far as oil changes you end up changing the oil less often but it cost a lot more to do it. You also have a fuel filter you will have to change every 20-25k miles. The duramax also has a filter for the transmission.

'07.5 Duramax here. I traded in my '03 Chevy Avalanche on it 1 year ago and have no regrets. The power is ridiculous and I can get better fuel mileage (19-20 hwy) and towing as well (12 ish vs 8) but diesel does cost more to buy. Look at trade-in or used values as well. I couldn't find a used diesel in decent shape for less $25k when I was looking a year ago and my Avalanche traded in for $14k. You pay more up front but from what I can tell it seems to hold its value better long term.

My main thing was that our lake is 55 miles away and lots of hills (plus we are at 5,000' here) and the Avalanche just felt gutless pulling the RZ2 at highway speeds.

I'll echo what the others have said. I LOVE my Duramax. I have an 04 2500 HD D/A.

Pros:
More torque
Better fuel mileage
Longer engine life
Power to spare
Great turbo whine

Cons:
Higher initial cost
Oil changes are about $60



X5 :ro: Love my 07 Duramax..........it'll almost pull the corner stone out from granny's house............highly recommended for all the reasons above

[gman]

Duramax is the ticket. May also want to consider 4x4. Lots of torque to tow that boat.

[Domsz06]

Duramax is the ticket. May also want to consider 4x4. Lots of torque to tow that boat.

4x4 is one of those tough decisions. If you don't get it your gonna regret it, but if you do it seems you never use it. Know what I mean gman? :D

[G-MONEY]

4x4 is one of those tough decisions. If you don't get it your gonna regret it, but if you do it seems you never use it. Know what I mean gman? :D

I use it every time I pull the boat out of the water. I don't want to be that guy spinning my wheels on the ramp because the duramax has too much power.;):p:ro:

[noworries]

I use it every time I pull the boat out of the water. I don't want to be that guy spinning my wheels on the ramp because the duramax has too much power.;):p:ro:

You want 4x4 unless the truck is used exclusively for "over-the-road" duties. Empty trucks are very light in the rear. Aim yourself down a dirt hill and try to back up. I use 4x4 all the time out in the yard and it can be helpful on wet ramps.

[lightning59]

4x4 4 sure 4 me where I live, auto trans, you Duramax/Allison guys seem to REALLY like your setup. Are chips worth the money? I run K&N's on everything I can so that will be put on as well. Thnx for all the advice........

[noworries]

4x4 4 sure 4 me where I live, auto trans, you Duramax/Allison guys seem to REALLY like your setup. Are chips worth the money? I run K&N's on everything I can so that will be put on as well. Thnx for all the advice........

Duramax: Huh, I like my Dodge/Cummins :D

Chips: You play, you pay. Diesels are expensive when you break them and power adders can cause warranty voiding issues. I spend my performance dollars elsewhere and protect the 100K mile warranty.

K&Ns: I won't get drug into this religious debate other than to say that those who do engine oil analysis tend to find high silicone levels with K&N filters. This suggests poor filtration. This is not good if you want a 300K mile engine. Diesels are crazy expensive to rebuild.

[turbonine]

Chips: You play, you pay. Diesels are expensive when you break them and power adders can cause warranty voiding issues. I spend my performance dollars elsewhere and protect the 100K mile warranty.



K&Ns: I won't get drug into this religious debate other than to say that those who do engine oil analysis tend to find high silicone levels with K&N filters. This suggests poor filtration. This is not good if you want a 300K mile engine. Diesels are crazy expensive to rebuild.

Agreed. Depends on what engine and programmer also. I have a 7.3 and run the DP-Tuner and couldn't be happier. If you get a chip/programmer you should also get a set of guages, or at least an EGT monitor.

I won't get into this either. K&N does have pretty ads though and lots of them. There are much better alternatives out there.

[Fast1911]

Here are two of my Duramax stories for your consideration:

Local guy backs his CC down the ramp and it won't start. He already disconnected the strap so the boat was 1/2 way off the trailer. We had already pulled out for the day. We thought he might just need a jump. I pull my truck down the ramp and have the front tires in the water with my boat hooked up :eek:, we try jumping the boat to no avail. Back my truck right up the ramp no problem. Now, he is pulling this V drive CC with an F150 no 4x4. He has to back down further to get the boat back on the trailer. Tires spinning, he can't get up the ramp. You know what happens next, pull my truck down the ramp again to the front of his truck, hook up a strap and back my truck up the ramp with boat attached and pull his entire rig up also. That is Duramax power. Yes, my truck is 4x4. :ro::ro::ro:


Second story is all about me, during my Tige Rehab I took the boat out one afternoon just to run it after some of the work I had finished up. Get out to the middle of the lake and the boat dies. Bad fuel pump. A storm comes in and it starts to rain. Luckily the breeze pushes me to shore. Nowhere near the ramp though :(, I go get the truck and back down off the shore line, had to submerge almost the entire trailer to get the boat on. I strap up the boat, put her in 4 wheel and idled the boat out with ease. :ro::ro::ro: These two stories should help you decide.

[G-MONEY]

Here are two of my Duramax stories for your consideration:

Second story is all about me, during my Tige Rehab I took the boat out one afternoon just to run it after some of the work I had finished up. Get out to the middle of the lake and the boat dies. Bad fuel pump. A storm comes in and it starts to rain. Luckily the breeze pushes me to shore. Nowhere near the ramp though :(, I go get the truck and back down off the shore line, had to submerge almost the entire trailer to get the boat on. I strap up the boat, put her in 4 wheel and idled the boat out with ease. :ro::ro::ro: These two stories should help you decide.

I have to do the same thing every time I launch and retrieve our boat.


The main ramp on the weekends can take up to 2hr just to pull your boat out but there is a small dirt ramp where many people launch sea-doo's and smaller boats at. Well with the duramax I back that sucker as far as it can go water up the the doors hook up our 24v put her in 4x4 and rip her out of the water like I was on a concrete ramp.:ro::ro:

[zad0030]

You should have just let that ford go under....

[Fast1911]

You should have just let that ford go under....

and the CC :D

[Domsz06]

I have never had to use 4x4 to pull out. But I also don't spin the tires. Now my friends have had to, but that's another story

[Timmy!]

If you live near the Ozarks I would assume that you would get a 4x4 for those lovely ice storms that you guys seem to get every year.

[Tanner]

Be VERY CAREFUL about putting a K&N on a duramax.... in particular the newer motors (LBZ and LMM). The Oil filters will clog your MAF sensor in no time! Stick to a dry air filter.

The K&N actually flows worse than the stock air filter anyways. Believe it or not the stock filter on the duramax's is one of the highest flowing filters on the market. There is only one that outflows it currently if you look at the bench tests. And even it only marginally outflows the stocker.... not enough for the average joe to ever notice or even take advantage of.

Only bad thing is cost on the stocker is $40 .... retails for $70+ ... I just had to buy one... I know...lol.

Chips: If you keep things reasonable you are safe. Get yourself a set of guages, in particular an EGT guage. The problem is power is addicting.... and once you try one of the upper power levels, you won't want to go back down. This is where people kill their tranny's and motors. In all honesty, your more likely to kill your tranny than your motor (as long as you keep an eye on your EGT's) A STOCK TRANNY WILL NOT HOLD 1000 ft/lb's of TQ. You can definately get good gains in both mileage and power out of a GOOD tuner though. Just be smart and do your research. If your looking at a duramax, look at PPE. It's one of the better tunes out there... we hacked one (not really, I know a few of the guys and got the unlock code) and looked at the tables on it. Joe's engineers do good work. Send me a mssg if you decide to look at some PPE stuff and I'll put you in touch with the right people to hook you up.

You usually hear alot about Banks... I won't tell you to stay away as they are a VERY SAFE tune. The problem I have with them is they don't produce the power they claim when dyno'd and you pay wayyyyyy to much for their stuff not to.

As for the Edge's and Bullydog's, etc.... The edge's you need to be careful with. They make a decent tune and the advertised power... Just make sure you get one of their products that have been out a while. They tend to release their products pretty early and their early codes sometimes have some trouble.

I won't touch a bullydog product on a duramax. I've seen to many motors puke their guts out.

[jwanck11]

We use a 6 cyl 4X4 Explorer with ~135K miles. :D



We also tow the boat 400 yds to and from the ramp and about 10 miles to get gas on flat roads.

[Kito]

Duramax all the way. I pull a 34 foot fifth wheel, then my 22 foot boat behind that. 12MPG in the Mountains. If you towe alot of weight or long distance you will never regret it. It's worth ever penny. The only downfall is if you really like the power as much as I do you will have to put new tires on more then a gaser.:ro:

[formandfunction]

Powerstroke all the way.International proved that engine years before ford ever owned the rights to it.
I also got the 2x2 version because the mileage is better.
Another good thing about the powerstroke is the lack of electrical nick nacks you find on the duramax.Simplicity equals reliability.
Little loud though

[Tanner]

Your top performers power wise will be the Duramax, Cummins, and then the Stroke.... in that order.

If you go to the PSD... try and find a 7.3. The 6.0's were either extremely reliable or literally broke down all the time. So hit and miss w/ those motors. If you find one w/ high miles, it's a safe bet it's probably a keeper though. The 6.4's are getting HORRENDOUS mileage.... they have changed an airdam which seems to be helping some. The bad mileage seems to be more a function of the regen mode though, as mileage drops have been seen across the board with the manufacturers.

If you go to a new model that has the DPF, I suggest you yank that sucker as soon as possible and get a tuner to turn off regen. You will thank yourself... your motor will thank you as well. When I logged my duramax during a regen mode, the stock programming retarded the timing -22*.... my jaw about dropped. Def. not good.

[dtown]

I have an 04 6.0L Powerstroke. Great truck. Haven't had a problem yet. Dad has a 98 7.3L Powerstroke. Trany went out after 60K. Ford covered it even though it was out of warranty. If you can find a used 7.3L with less than 100K miles, they have the reputation of being bullet proof. I agree 6.0L are hit and miss. I have not heard anything good about any of the 3 2008 diesels.

Also, if you want a truck for the long haul, go Ford. Never met a farmer that drives and Chevy or Dodge... and those guys beat the chit out of their trucks.

[turbonine]

Yanking the DPF is not DOT legal. But then again how are they enforcing it?

I know if you pull it out and get a program that stops regen, all big 3 are getting 3 - 4 MPG gains.

[18c racing]

99 Ford Superduty 7.3 diesel 4 door duelly w tons of power upgrades! I pull a 28ft enclosed trailer to the race track every weekend as well as pulln the boat to the lake all the time it works fabulous! If u can find a 99-02 w the 7.3 its defenatly the way to go. The later fords had some issues with the 6.0 engines that were pricy to fix.:ro::ro::ro::):)

[dtown]

I think the ideal truck would be a Ford body and frame, with the Cummins motor, and Allison trany. Doesn't Ford own Cummins... why can't you get a Cummins in a Ford?

[turbonine]

I think the ideal truck would be a Ford body and frame, with the Cummins motor, and Allison trany. Doesn't Ford own Cummins... why can't you get a Cummins in a Ford?

You can. Its just going to cost http://www.destroked.com/

I think Ford only owns a small portion of Cummins.

[Timmy!]

Yanking the DPF is not DOT legal. But then again how are they enforcing it?

I know if you pull it out and get a program that stops regen, all big 3 are getting 3 - 4 MPG gains.
In Colorado they would get you when you go in for an emissions test. The 3-4 MPG gains are up for debate over on the Chevy side, some say they see it and others don't. The biggest MPG gainer is your right foot. I can repeatedly get 19-20 mpg (hand calculated) on my 70 mile (round trip) commute which is a 75 mph highway and others can't get anywhere near that and my truck is 100% stock. I've run the same commute at 65mph for a week and I was able to get 21 mpg. It's all in the drivers foot, it's probably more evident with the newer, higher hp/torque trucks than it was with the older ones though.

[Tanner]

I think the ideal truck would be a Ford body and frame, with the Cummins motor, and Allison trany. Doesn't Ford own Cummins... why can't you get a Cummins in a Ford?


Besides the ally what do you think the Ford guys do that want to run some big HP #'s and good 1/4 times!!! :D ... they drop the cummins in there.

All the PSD's are dogs!!!! LOL.

Hey I think Nasty Girl is still for sale.... 1000+hp Duramax.... there you go!

[lightning59]

Keep the posts coming, I am reading them all and appreciate the comments. I watch this and craigslist for trucks throughout the day.

[Domsz06]

i love my 2000 Powerstroke 7.3 171000 and counting and not a problem yet :D (knock on wood) She is chipped, 4in down pipe, 5 in exhaust EGF gauge, tranny gauge, turbo controller turned up to 25 lbs(just under what they are designed to handle) will spin all four tires, and beat any 4banger out there :D

If you hop them up just make sure you get the stuff to control it, ie egf, exhaust etc.

[turbonine]

i love my 2000 Powerstroke 7.3 171000 and counting and not a problem yet :D (knock on wood) She is chipped, 4in down pipe, 5 in exhaust EGF gauge, tranny gauge, turbo controller turned up to 25 lbs(just under what they are designed to handle) will spin all four tires, and beat any 4banger out there :D

If you hop them up just make sure you get the stuff to control it, ie egf, exhaust etc.

Have you tried the DP-Tuner? The thing is amazing. I pretty much have the same setup as you, except I have yet to put in the wastegate controller. You get any turbo surge? Mine was bad so I ended up putting the ATS compressor housing in.

[majestic]

I have a 07 Silverado 2500 with the 6.0l gas and it just does ok. Gas milage is around 14

It is my company truck so atleast I don't have to pay for gas. Company couldn't justify 8k more for a Diesel when we only lease for four years.

[Carter13]

I have an 07 Ford F350 PS 4x4. It has 27,000 miles and has not missed a beat. The early 6.0's did have problems but Ford worked them out by 05. I haul my 4000 lb camper with no problem at all. When I had my 22V I hauled both and that powerstroke handled it really well. The torque shift is really nice when going down grades.
I don't know why guys are chipping any of the newer diesels ie 03+. They are plenty powerful to handle anything you can throw at them.
If I want to run the 1/4 mile I am going to buy a muscle or sports car NOT a truck.

[delongheavyhaul]

I have a 07 chevy duramax. Love it. The Allison 6 speed transmission works great. I pull my 12,000# toy hauler with it up some pretty steep grades at 65mph. The transmission temp stays under 200 degrees, and the rpm right around 2000. Runs really good and strong. Also has a retarder, meaning that when slowing down, the engine will down shift to help stop you, using your brakes alot less. I get 9 - 10 mpg when towing the trailer. When I tow the 24v, i get 13 mpg. Don't even know the boat is back there. Very strong. I would recomend the duramax to anyone wanting to tow. Around town not towing anything, I get between 18-20 mpg. On the highway not towing 22-24 mpg.
I used to have an 04 chevy 6.0 v8. It towed good, but sure sucked the gas. towing my trailer I would get 5mpg, towing the boat 9mpg.
I think the oil changes equal about the same. You do have fuel filter to change.
All and all very happy with my choice to switch to diesel power.

[RubberDucky]

go either with chevy or dodge.
We have two dodges 2500 diesal at work a 96 and 07. The 96 is showing wear (losing the reverse gear) but we beat the crap out of it pulling a average of 10,000 lbs. I work at a metal shop so nothing is light. the 07 is super quiet. we have not put the 07 through its paces yet.
I drove my buddies 03 2500 dodge pulling a centurion elite bowrider for 6 hrs and it pulled like a dream never felt it back there. The 03 has pulled stuck dump trucks out so it has some power to it.
thats my 2 cents

[Krunchytaco]

I would suggest a Diesel for sure...I wont get into a pissing match over what brand you should get, but I will tell you I have driven a Ford Diesel for 11 years now and have never had a problem yet! 7.3 to 6.0. My 1996 7.3 needed a tranny at 180K.
I have three buddies who own Dodge diesels and have had several problems with them. Mostly tranny issues, father in law has had two trann's in 110k miles, with no towing at all!
So if you find a truck that looks good to you, and you take care of it, I dont think what brand you buy matters!
Good luck and Enjoy...

[Domsz06]

Well said Krunhytaco

[Timmy!]

Well said Krunhytaco
:cool: I test drove them all, tried to get a Ford and they couldn't find the one I wanted (black with black interior on an XLT) and the Chevy dealer had 3 of them so I went with it. The Dodge drove nice but the seats hit my back in a weird place so it didn't work out but it was a LOT less $$ for the Dodge.

[yellow3]

I drive an '03 cummins. It'll pull the blue outta the sky. For long distance pulling you wouldn't want anything else. For a nice interior though, you have to go with Chevrolet. Cost of ownership isn't much more than a gasser. Run full synthetic oil and change it every 30,000 miles. It cuts your oil change costs in half. and also be sure to get one that is pre DPF (2007/8). You'll have less hassels and worries. THUMBS UP FOR DIESEL!!

[barbuckle]

Duramax power for sure. Just sold my 04 GMC Duramax/Allison and bought an 08 equipped the same way. Love them both. The 08 has more power and no smoke. Local mileage (15) not quite as good but hwy (19) seems about the same. Friends tell me that the mileage will improve over time. It is nice to have this power in the mountains. When I brought home my first boat "TIGE" I was still able to pull Eisenhower Tunnel (11,000ft) at 70MPH and not get stuck behind a semi or motorhome at 30MPH.

[noworries]

I drive an '03 cummins. It'll pull the blue outta the sky. For long distance pulling you wouldn't want anything else. ...
Look at the "hotshot" rigs you see on the highway. They're nearly all Cummins Dodges pulling very heavy loads.

I drive an '05 Cummins wrapped with sheet metal by Dodge. I do wish I'd gotten a manual transmission, but it was a compromise to the other household drivers whom I want to have pull the trailer up the ramp.

[kana12]

cummins will give you more than enough power to pull a d6 dozer to as 5 x 10 trailer and will get you 20mpg plus unloaded. if you want more room get a ford its a hoss as well and if you want a compy ride get a chevy.. they are all good. im just a cummins man. dodge is bad a$$ motor surrounded by a questionable truck for sure though.. lol

[formandfunction]

Deisel is a pain when your not pulling anything.Cold starts in the morning sound like a ticking time bomb.Terrible smell that makes its way in the truck when you open the door.
Also rides like a dumptruck but for all the downfalls the payoff is being able to tow anything anytime anywhere without worries.

[Timmy!]

Deisel is a pain when your not pulling anything.Cold starts in the morning sound like a ticking time bomb.Terrible smell that makes its way in the truck when you open the door.
Nah, cold starts aren't really a problem on the newer ones. I hook up the electric cord when it's going to be well below zero but even when I don't I haven't had any cold start problems, they have pretty good glow plugs in them nowadays.

[Jetrey]

I've got an 02' dmax, no regrets from day one! 165,000 miles on original brakes and they still have 1/8" before the squeeker hits the rotor. unheard of on the older chevy's. my suburban 98' went through a set of brakes every 15,000 miles :confused: wait that was my wifes car, maybe that explains it! back to the dmax. did do injectors at 99k miles, warranty covered. thats it, just add fuel and run the heck out of it. great truck.

[barbuckle]

Gee Jet, I had to replace the brakes and turn the rotors on my wife's Yukon. Go figure??