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firemangr82b1
10-23-2004, 01:36 AM
Im looking at purchasing an '05 Tige 22i, anyone have any recommendations/or advice as to what size engine to get??

jeffro
10-25-2004, 07:57 PM
i got to test drive a 2005 22v with the GM Vortec 340 HP motor...

it had plenty of power, even when weighted it pulled out of the hole as if the weight wasn't there (compared to the Merc 315 hp).

now i know the 22v had synchrotec (gear reduction), but that 340 HP GM motor was strong, and i'm sure would be plenty in a 22i. (i've driven 22v, 22i, and currently own a 21i with the 315hp).

firemangr82b1
10-25-2004, 10:19 PM
Thanks, I will try the 340hp if I can get a test drive at a dealership, L

mmartin
10-26-2004, 02:00 AM
I have a '04 22I with the larger engine. We weight it down with 1600 lbs. of ballast and usaully have at least 6 people on-board. I could not imagine getting out of the hole with the 315hp Merc. The larger motor is worth the money.

firemangr82b1
10-26-2004, 02:44 AM
Thanks, mmartin thats exactly what I wanted to know, im assuming you have the 340hp?

jeffro
10-26-2004, 06:32 PM
but, just to show you how powerful the 315 is...

i have a 21i that we add about 1500-2000 lbs of ballast in, it planes without a problem...(sure it takes a little longer than without ballast, but when weighted properly and using taps, it's realy not an issue).

just fyi.

but, more power is ALWAYS good.

firemangr82b1
10-26-2004, 07:53 PM
How do you like your 21i? I have two young kids and want to teach them both H2O skiing and wake boarding and possibly the new surfing stuff. Were looking for an all around boat that does it all, thats why I like the 22i, seems it might give us a lot of both sports and im an avid skiier, but would also like to learn the wake boarding stuff (liitle easier on the old body). Does the 22i sound like the "all" around boat for us? I like the width of the boat and the seating design and also its a little deeper for the kids safety. Ive skiied behind Master crafts, centurions and a few natiques, which are nice, but wanted something that was kind of an all around boat, with some safety features for the kids...Let me know what you think, Thanks L

Tige22ityper
10-26-2004, 08:05 PM
I have a 22i with the 315 Merc. Fantastic fmily boat! My kids are 2 and 5 and the seating is great! We slalom, board and surf with it. When it is just the me and the guys on the lake, I throw anywhere from 700 to 1300 lbs of ballast in it, and it pulls just fine. Out of the hole might be a little slow with 1300 lbs, but not to where I really care. If the 340hp is available, I would take it, but I would also consider the price it costs above the 315.

Unless you are really going to carry tons of weight in the boat most of the time, I would not be sure it is worth the extra money. Even without the ballast the 22i has a great boarding wake. In my case, 80% of the time I am out with the family, and we don't weight the boat down. Just my .02

Steve France
11-11-2004, 10:51 PM
I had a 2001 22i with a 315hp motor. Never a problem with not having enough power. I test drove a 2005 340hp 22i limited addition a month ago and it has plenty of power. If you are looking for a new or used 22i Ski Hut in Nashville has two. My old 2001 and a new 2005 can be seen at skihut.com under new and used boats. Lee at Ski Hut could offer additional advice. You will be very pleased with the 22i...........Seating is great for watching the kids.....and the "old guys" too!

firemangr82b1
11-12-2004, 12:07 AM
Thanks Steve, I appreciate the info, am going to try to demo a few with different size engines to see what I like, thanks again for your info, L

Flying Tiger
12-11-2004, 04:20 PM
I have the 22iR with the 315 HP.
The fuel burn is excellent, sounds teriffic.

I'd like more power because ya feel it when ya have a boat full of people, especially 200 lb boys with their girlfriends. and a wakeboarder in tow.

Most Tige' dealers are very good about test drives.
The So Cal dealer the test drives are more like instructional demos,, and ya really learn a lot.
I did.

Paul Robertson
01-04-2005, 10:58 PM
From my perspective the 315 Merc is a great engine - when it works.

This may be isolated because this is normally a tried & true small block, but my 20i has had to be towed, to the trailer, at least four times. Twice for fuel injector related, once ignition and once for PTO problems.

The last was the real kicker, make sure your warranty papres are in order if you're dealing with Mercury Marine. The boat is a 20i and has never seen ballast, (converted slalom skier & Luv boarding, but just not that good). When the tranny let go my dealer had trouble with Mercury. I'm off the water for almost 6 weeks, (that won't seem like a lot to you Texas folks, but in Canada that's almost the gawl dang summer).

Mercury tries to claim user abuse and rebuilds the tranny. Now I have tranny fluid all over my bilge and a sick feeling that I've only deferred footing the bill for a new tranny. Rest assured the boat has been properly maintained and driven.

Moral: If you can get the extra grunt of the 340 and not have to cope with Merc' --- Go for it!!!!

firemangr82b1
01-05-2005, 03:41 AM
Thanks for the heads up, I was leaning towards the 340hp engine anyway, but appreciate everyones experience, (good or bad) before I buy one, Thanks L

Paublo
01-05-2005, 03:43 PM
I had a 2001 21i with the 315 hp Merc and now have a 2004 22V with the 335 hp Marine Power. I never had any major problems with the Merc but am aware of many who have. There can always be a problem, it is how it gets taken care of that makes the difference. In this area Mercruiser has to be the worst out there.

Marine Power is a smaller company that seems to be very service orientated. I had a question about replacing a couple of engines on a houseboat and my dealer picked up the phone and talked to the president of Marine Power. He was accessible, helpful, and willing to go the extra mile for a customer. We ended up going another route, but will consider them again in the future.

If you really look closely at the difference in the motors, there is very little. Every block comes the same from GM. Merc, Indmar, PCM, MP may paint and put a little different trim (exhaust manifold, water pump, etc.) on their motor. Much of the electronics- computers are shared between mfgrs. I heard that one of the bigger reasons for Tige offering other motors was that Merc wouldn't raise their hp ratings. Merc was being conservative while every year Indmar would leave the hp rating to Malibu- which raised the hp by 5, three years in a row without making any change beside the sticker on the motor. Don't get caught believing all the numbers you read. For example, what did Marine Power do from 2004 to 2005 to raise the hp from 335 to 340?

I had a choice this last time and tried the Marine Power. So far it has been flawless. If PCM wasn't such a premium, I would have tried that. I would just stay away from Merc. I have never heard anyone say that they were helpful, responded quickly, or liked dealing with them.

firemangr82b1
01-05-2005, 06:17 PM
Thank You!!, I had also heard some not so good stuff about Merc. But this is my first Comp Boat purchase and need all the advice I can get.

Now the Vortec 335hp 5.7L MPI is no relation to Merc. right? There not using Merc blocks with GM parts or visa versa are they? In other words their not one and the same are they?

I do have a great mechanic that races boats and his primary preferrence of engines to work on are GM and GM products.

When you refer to Marine Power I'm assuming those are the GM Vortec MPI engines they are offering?

And how are the Indmar engines? I've seen them in a few comp boats, but don't know much about them, good or bad? One dealer told me they were great, and Mercs were crap, but I wasn't wild about him because he also was bashing other boat makers and their products, which I thought was tacky, so I didn't know what to believe in him, and certainly wouldn't have bought anything from him based on his demeanor, he also sold Indmars, go figure!

The PCM's, stands for? ( Personal Craft Marine? ) Im assuming? Now are they the top shelf engines? How much more costly are they? Does Tige offer them?
Sorry for all the questions, Ive been skiing and around boats since I was 10, but never purchased one, so im a novice when it comes to putting a boat together, I just want to make sure I know what im getting and understand whats best, especially because of the price of these boats, I want to cover all bases, if you know what i mean.

Thanks for your help and information, I greatly appreciate it......L

Paublo
01-05-2005, 08:44 PM
I will try to answer your questions, and if I'm not 100% correct, anyone is welcome to chime in. Basically GM build the engine- block, pistons, heads, valve train, etc. Merc, Indmar, PCM, and Marine Power buys the assembled engine and maritinizes it- or they put on the water pump, alternator, or basically everything that hangs off of the engine. The last that I heard, it comes from GM with even the fuel injection. The computer or brain of the EFI may be done by the engine outfitter, I'm not sure of that. The exhaust manifolds are also my the outfitter.

So if you only care if you are getting a GM engine, then buy anyone's, because right now they all come off the same line. There are no differences to the long block. Merc, Indmar, PCM and MP also buy and couple the transmission and V-drive (if it has one). This also comes from a third party But if there is a problem, you look to Merc or PCM for help- not GM. If you think about it, when was the last time you heard about a problem with the basic engine- internal to the block. Never. The problem is useually the water pump, transmission, electronics, or something that the final engine maritinizer did.

In my opinion, all of the little stuff that gets added to the engine along with how they stand behind their product, makes a big difference.

Indmar must be good too, since there are a lot of happy Malibu and MasterCraft owners. PCM is owned by Pleasurecraft Engines. I assume that Tige still offers them too. Ask your dealer, but they are probably $3-4,000 more.

The story I heard about Marine Power is they are a smaller company in Louisiana that did mostly commercial stuff, and recently got into the competition boat market. When you sell stuff for ocean and commercial use you have to have it right. A hold-over from that market is the dual alternator belts. If one breaks, you still have one. They are the only mfgr. to mount the starter on the top of the bell housing. This way if you get a little water in the bottom of the boat you will not ruin an expensive starter, or get stranded.

Good luck with the decision and purchase. If you have a good dealer, no worry.

firemangr82b1
01-05-2005, 10:45 PM
Thanks for all your input, very informative and I really appreciate it, anything else you can recommened or think of to help would be welcomed.....Thank you L

Paul Robertson
01-07-2005, 02:10 AM
fire;

Got to go back and change my forum name to something more obscure, guess I'm too trusting.

Paublo is right the block is the same for most of the manfr's and the most common supplier is GM. Notable exceptions are Volvo & Toyota. Merc or PCM etc, then add bolt-ons, (sometimes down to pistons and cranks) to handle the higher output and marine.

Paublo is bang on that it is the service that makes all the difference. More times then not anything that can go wrong, goes wrong in the first 20 hours of op and no worries cause it is obviously warranty.

When it's outside of that it starts getting greyer and greyer no matter what the warranty contract says.

Used to be a dyed in the wool Merc' guy cause I grew up with one. THey seemed like the best of the worst. Now with the state of technology there is no excuse for the kind of bs played with marine engines. They need to get with the times.

When you purchase your comp boat you will be suprised that, unlike the GM in the dirveway, you get one warranty for the boat hull from one separate company and one from the engine manuf'r. The majority of your short term issues will be with the engine.

Research your purchase that way and take your time. Don't expect Tige to be any help with Merc' or PCM etc. (Although to the Tige Marketing folks: if they want a bulletproof market share killer they'll figure out a way to make it an all-in-one deal.

The Vortec 5.7 is used as a base unit by a couple of the big manf'r I beleive. Check them out on their reputation. I'm having a hard time being a Merc' guy anymore.

firemangr82b1
01-07-2005, 03:36 PM
Thanks again for the input, you guys have been a great help. I need all the info I can get, paying 40K+ for a boat thats used 4-5 months a year, I want to make sure I know as much as possible and get something thats going to be as problem free as possible, I know the general cliche' for boats is: " The happiest moment of boat ownership is when you buy your boat, and when you sell your boat" Thanks L

Flying Tiger
01-08-2005, 04:13 AM
From what I've heard and experienced about Marine Power vs Merc is:

1. The dealers seem to like Marine power customer support better than Mercury.
Some service managers consider Merc to offer no support (call Dan at Kawasaki of Simi Valley, he'll give you an earfull), some say very little.

2. Longer standard warranty.

3. Strong talk of the warranty eventually being based on engine hours, not time owned. Having said that, I go back to #1. If the boat has low hours, then owners have mentioned that Marine power has given a break to the owner if the warranty has expired, their option, no guarantee on that.

4. The starter is in a better position.

5. The Water pump impeller is easier to replace.

6. More horsepower for the same price as the Merc.

7. Far fewer Merc's as OEM in new boatlines each year at the boatshow.
I'd venture to guess few Wakeboard boatlines offer Merc anymore for all the above reasons. Stumble around the upcoming boatshow and you'll see.

Some time ago, some Jackass was going around representing himself as a rep of Marine power, even saying he was a relative of the founder. He was taking deposits on their performance motors then vanishing.
The guy was a fraud and had nothing to do with Marine Power when he took the deposits.
I don't hold that incident against the company. Lots of flakes in the boating world. Eyes wide open is the rule when ya open the check book. Buy from a reputable dealer like Tige'.
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Ozonerider
02-03-2005, 04:59 AM
I currently have three Merc 5.7 engines, all about 5 years old. The one in the ski boat is the same as the 315hp engine offered by Tige, and I have never had a problem with it. The twins in the offshore are mated to I/Os and have been much more problematic requiring replacement of the Electronic Control Module in one and several fuel injectors in the other. Tracking down the fuel injector problems kept me off the water for over 3 months last year. My only conclusion is that while they are great when they are running, perhaps the harsher conditions experienced by the ones in the offshore may be pushing the limits of reliability.

In any case, last year I had the pleasure of meeting Lee of Marine Power who is the supplier of the Vortec engines to Tige. I turns out that the "Jackass" mentioned above was, indeed, related to the founder but because of the deposit fiasco he is no longer with the company. I had originally planned on going with a PCM 6.0 375hp in a 24V, but now favor the Marine Power Vortec 6.0 380hp as in my opinion there is little functional difference and the PCM is several thousand more dollars.

Gardyloo03
02-03-2005, 05:50 AM
I do believe that all of those engines are built off of gm blocks. Indmar has a good reputation but so does merc and the gm vortec engine isnt the same one used in cars. Gm has an independent department for it marine engines. I believe that indmar uses diferent headers and they design their own manifolds to deliver more horse power. If im wrong someone correct me please.

Tige M.D.
02-24-2005, 12:51 AM
they all use their own exhaust manifolds, fuel / injection systems and map tables. that is why the horse power varies a little between manufactures. the "jackass' "name is Walter. he screwed use out of some parts we donated to "the monster garage" last year. i guess he is hiding from the law back east now:)