Mastercraft or Malibu

[turbonine]

I know there have been threads like "If Tiges didn't exists which boat would you own" but I wanted to narrow it down even further. If you couldn't have a Tige, would you rather be in a Mastercraft or a Malibu?

[balair]

no tige.....AHHHHH!!!!!!!

[Tanner]

How bout a centurion?... LOL

[ragboy]

MC for me. I hate the tiny bow and the illusion tower, otherwise, great boat. I love the front ladder, video display, and anchor holder in bow in the X45. I would choose the X45 over 247.

[rogersbm82]

Mc as well for me but let's hope it doesn't come down to that. lol

[harv]

MC for me... Malibu SUCKS!!! lol

[scoot18]

I could do either one. Some things I like on one better than the other and that goes for both of them, they are both fine boats. Happy with my tige` for now though............ The only thing I wish my tige had was the fuel economy of my prior boat.

[KonaKing]

X45

[samw]

Mastercraft, My brother-n-law has a mc X45 it's very nice.
(My Tige puts out a better wake):)

[Timmy!]

MC for me. I hate the tiny bow and the illusion tower, otherwise, great boat. I love the front ladder, video display, and anchor holder in bow in the X45. I would choose the X45 over 247.
Exactly the same reason for me.

[Fast1911]

Since I already own an old MC, I think I would stick with them.

[chpthril]

Since we are not real hard-core boarders, it would not be the brand with the best wake, except for maybe surf wake though, got have a great one. There is not much about the MC's that I really like......looks, seating, too much bling, They just dont do anything for me, kinda like the hefty, zit faced brace-face in school, she may have made the best girlfriend, etc, but kinda hard to get bast the looks :D

:02:

[jwanck11]

I like the old MC ski boats. :D

[da.bell]

MB... :ro: :ro:

Probably the new 21 foot Tomcat. :D

[NICKYPOO]

X45. I actually really like the helm in the Bu, but that's it. Well, that and their customer service from the factory. Top notch from what I understand. Other than that, I've tried to surf several new Bu's and I can't stand 'em. That is the ugliest surf wake I've ever seen. I hate that stupid tower. The 21xti handles pretty good, but I don't like the way the 23's handle. Super thin hulls as well. They have really nice wakeboarding wakes, but I could care less. Just not very impressed with them over all.

I've never even been in any MC of any kind although I was seriously considering buying an X9 before I found my tigger. Kind of funny considering I've been on the water all my life. Just worked out that way. Thank God I didn't. Those things are tiny. The X45 does impress me with its lay out and overall appearance (except that ridiculous looking dash and jenky tower).

So I guess if I had to choose between the two, Supra.

[Paublo]

I have too many issues with both of those- Malibu: cheap carpeted seat bases, poor fuel economy, wedge. MC: horrible local dealer, and my impression is the quality is slipping badly. I looked at several new ones in a showroom last week and the vinyl stiching was very poor on every one. Right now I would have to go with a Nautique.

[Matt Garcia]

That's tough. I really like the look and wake of Malibus but cant stand that I hit my head on the Illusion tower. I also cant stand that every boat on any lake up here is a Malibu.

MC's are nice as well especially the interiors but the cost is something I couldn't swallow. If money wasn't an option it would probably be MC, maybe an X-star, wait...don't I have one of those already! LOL. :)

[gman]

Do not have to get the illusion tower from Malibu!

[Lucky 275]

The Titan is not that much better.

[AustinSouthSide]

I agree with Matt, too many Bu's on the lake. Although the surf wake I saw behind one last weekend was amazing, I was jealous. I like MC Xstar the best but they are way too pricey, I could not afford one. So that leaves me with Supra, and I really like the 08's graphics and an overall boat. Of course, I would have to test drive them all before making a decision and get the scoop on the dealers. But yeah, Supra, I could see myself with one of those.

[FacePlant]

So I guess if I had to choose between the two, Supra.

HAHA! That's my pick as well!!

[ragboy]

HAHA! That's my pick as well!!

Supras seem like quality boats, but I could never get around the playpen bow. On the 24, its your only choice, and I don't like it. My family wouldn't let me go any further with looking at supras when they saw that.

[turbonine]

MB... :ro: :ro:

Probably the new 21 foot Tomcat. :D

I think multiple choice questions may have been difficult for you in school. :D

[chpthril]

Supras seem like quality boats, but I could never get around the playpen bow. On the 24, its your only choice, and I don't like it. My family wouldn't let me go any further with looking at supras when they saw that.

That was one of the main features of the Supra that turned me off, they were on the lost of 3 when we chose the Tige. I would look at them again, before the 2 choices in this thread:02:

[Redlined]

IMHO, Bu's are paper tigers, and the thin wall construction, really bothers me. The wedge seems like a headache, all though I am sure they've worked to fix this. The MC is way to much money for what you get. I wouldn't buy either one. Supra throw sic wakes, GREAT surf wakes too, so that is my choice, if Tige wasn't around at all. Or a SIC, sacked out Basstracker! Give me a Skeeter with ton in the floor-hello.

[ragboy]

I would consider the SANGER 237 before the supra. From what I have heard about the surfwake, and I have been around sanger boats all my life. My dad built racing engines for boat and land drag racing. Always liked the look of the sanger flat bottom over the hondo. Save a lot of money over the MC.

I couldn't consider sanger before, they didn't even have a 23. I don't think I could go down from a 24' boat, my specs when I got the tige was 16 passenger capacity. But the 237 is close, getting there.

[skyski_tige]

MC. The local Bu dealer is an A@S.

[dogbert]

I'd go Supra

[da.bell]

I think multiple choice questions may have been difficult for you in school. :D

Well, there is Black and White for sure but I live in the Gray Areas too often. :D

[formandfunction]

I had a supra before my tige.Ive also been on a handfull of others.People complain about stuff breaking but I think thats all boats.Wake was nice too.
If I had to choose between malibu or mastercraft I would restore a stars and stripes.

[highrock]

Supras wake sucks...its all white wash if your not going 25mph

id take the malibu

[SPBFAN]

MasterCraft all the way.

[balair]

BU. I'm not a big fan of the metal flake gel MC use...it looks like a bass boat :rolleyes:

[chpthril]

MasterCraft all the way.

Thought you were wanting to open a Malibu dealership :confused:

[formandfunction]

Supras wake sucks...its all white wash if your not going 25mph

id take the malibu

Supra wakes will do that if you don't have enough weight in the front.

[dogbert]

Supra wakes will do that if you don't have enough weight in the front.

If I didn't own a Tige, I'd go for their Gravity 24 SSV. That boat has a killer layout and my favorite tower/bimini. It's got the Bennet Trim tab on the back and the hull is probably closer to a Tige than anything else. I've never surfed one of these, so I'd want to try that before committing, but based on what I know of the other boats, that's what I'd do.

After that would be the X-Star, but I hear the surf wake sucks (according to a former Tige owner that now owns an X-Star).

[ragboy]

The supra hull looks nothing like the Tige.

[Matt Garcia]

Supras are great too. Id buy one of those over a Malibu over MC.

And their wakes dont suck, they are actually damn good. Here is my buddies 08 22SSV from last weekend.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3185/2691153347_9e2d00f59e.jpg

[Jason B]

I'd have to go Bu over the spoiled rich kid, straight bill, pant saggin', douche bag, "I'm cool cause daddy bought me a nice boat" brand. Too many tools around here in MC

[talltigeguy]

The 247 surf wake can be legendary with a lot of weight. The wakeboarding wake is terrific. Be prepared to use lots of gasoline. At Powell, my buddy and I used our boats about the same then filled up. He put in 50 gallons and I put in 30 gallons.

I can't even get behind an X-35 unless I ink a sales contract. So how can I be expected to buy one? Poor sales tactic, IMHO.

Supra is about completely retarded the way the front playpen locks the driver in. I sat in it at a show for 15 seconds and tried to like it, but walked away very disappointed. A guy with long legs is going to be very uncomfortable after a day of climbing in and out of the driver's seat.

[turbonine]

Supras are great too. Id buy one of those over a Malibu over MC.

And their wakes dont suck, they are actually damn good. Here is my buddies 08 22SSV from last weekend.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3185/2691153347_9e2d00f59e.jpg

What length and speed is that? Looks pretty impressive, nice transition and ramp.

BTW - had a girl riding last weekend and the guy who set the rope and speed asked her "Is the length and speed ok?" I chuckled and said that she was complaining about the length.

[Matt Garcia]

What length and speed is that? Looks pretty impressive, nice transition and ramp.

BTW - had a girl riding last weekend and the guy who set the rope and speed asked her "Is the length and speed ok?" I chuckled and said that she was complaining about the length.

That picture was 23.4, 75ft rope I believe. We all rode at different lengths and speeds. The wake was mackin that day.

[dogbert]

The supra hull looks nothing like the Tige.

I said closer, not the same. :rolleyes:

[balair]

I'd have to go Bu over the spoiled rich kid, straight bill, pant saggin', douche bag, "I'm cool cause daddy bought me a nice boat" brand. Too many tools around here in MC

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA :ro: :ro:

[lightning59]

off topic here, but I don't know what you do Jason B, you could be writing copy for an ad agency for crazy a$$ money, seriously!

[zad0030]

I think I would own a Malibu.


WAIT! I already do.

Very solid, More storage compartments, and the wake is soo much better.
Better fuel economy too.

[22Veee]

I and one other Tige owner are the only ones in our group without an MC. I am impressed with the quality of the interior, tower and the quality of the regular side surf wake. However, not a one of them throws a decent goofy side surf wake. This is a problem for my goofy self. :rolleyes:

Knowing what I know now, my next purchase (if not a Tige) will depend on the quality of the goofy side wake(among other things). If the dealer won't take me out for a demo surf ride, there will be no purchase.

[zad0030]

Dont know If any of you noticed but Mastercraft is offering a diesel.

[balair]

I think I would own a Malibu.


WAIT! I already do.

Very solid, More storage compartments, and the wake is soo much better.
Better fuel economy too.

you're only 16 :eek: :eek: how did you afford that :D

[dogbert]

you're only 16 :eek: :eek: how did you afford that :D

Hey, he's a serious slalom skier. I have to admit, he's right about the Response having a better wake for what he's doing. I don't see a lot of other tow boats used in slalom competitions.

Oh yeah, he's sponsored by BOD.

[NICKYPOO]

I had a chance to surf a new Supra 22ssv last year and it was very nice with stock ballast. I'm also a huge fan of the play pen bow, tower, Z5 bimini and overall looks of the boat. The only thing I don't like is the throttle position. It's way too low. That and the dealer here is asking 8+grand more for a base model 22ssv over a loaded 22Ve.:bs:

[jwanck11]

Which is the better all around boat? That is what we looked at when purchasing. How many folks use a boat for a single purpose?

[screwdagain]

Or Which boats fits yours and your familys purposes and likes / dislikes.

[venetrex]

My neighbor just got a MC X-2 and a supplemental ballast system, it throws a mad wake for hydrofoiling. Better than my tige 21v, the wake is sharper, not larger. The overall quality of the constuction is way way better. Th evinyl is twice as thick and the gauge set up is definately bling bling. Not for everyone I guess, but the thought put into the X-2 is quite noticable. The tower can even handle my sky ski with a little mod.

[majestic]

From someone who almost bought a X-15 I would probably go MC, however it is definantly not $10k better than my 22ve.

[da.bell]

you're only 16 :eek: :eek: how did you afford that :D

Hey, he's a serious slalom skier. I have to admit, he's right about the Response having a better wake for what he's doing. I don't see a lot of other tow boats used in slalom competitions.

Oh yeah, he's sponsored by BOD.

It's his parent's boat. ;)

[z.beer]

Mastercraft MS 230....Oh so quet. Next RZ2 pickle puss:D

[Bandsecurity]

What about the EPIC and MB's. Those boats are starting to catch my attention. I have now idea how much they cost or how well they are constructed. And they dont have the same cache as MC or Malibu. Does anyone have knowledge of these boats.

[ragboy]

The EPIC throws a great WB wake, but I hear horrible surf wake, that makes it no go for me.

The hoffmans have one, and I see it all the time up close, the rear speakers seemed cool on the brochure and website, but in person, I like em on the tower better.

Now having up to 4k of ballast would be cool, but not if I couldn't surf it.

[WRKTOSKI]

Its to bad Tige is coping mc dash and the malibu looks for 09, so much for Tige being special.

[majestic]

Its to bad Tige is coping mc dash and the malibu looks for 09, so much for Tige being special.

I think your way off on the dash comment!

[zad0030]

I think your way off on the dash comment!

I agree, Ive seen the MC dash on a prostar and it looks nothing like the Tige. The new tige actually looks more like a malibu.

[ragboy]

And MC now has the "Attitude Adjustment Plate", they all copy each other, but I think lately the biggest changes in the industry have been pickle fork which mc gets credit for, and illusion tower for bu, which tige have both recently copied. I think the dash thing is just a natural evolution that everyone will follow.

[Lucky 275]

I just noticed, on WW, that Malibu is using a chopper gun for the fiberglass. High quality! No monocoque construction either. The stringers are also hollow. Looks like all the $$$ is spent on the vinyl and interior bling.

[ragboy]

Sanger site has some nice video about lamination and the chopper gun and stuff.

[highrock]

No one can innovate new things all the time...if something works copy it

Epics have an MSRP of around $75, I know there cost and its much less than that for an 08

[zad0030]

And MC now has the "Attitude Adjustment Plate", they all copy each other, but I think lately the biggest changes in the industry have been pickle fork which mc gets credit for, and illusion tower for bu, which tige have both recently copied. I think the dash thing is just a natural evolution that everyone will follow.

Your right, there wil be a point where some features will need to be available in all boats.

Also, supra copied Malibu's swivel head pylon

[chpthril]

Its to bad Tige is coping mc dash and the malibu looks for 09, so much for Tige being special.

How about the notched transom, walk-thru transom, transom storage, and scallops (the cut-outs on the side that someone called something else) that have all been borrowed, copied, stolen, etc, from Tige since the Ve rolled out in 06 and the Rz in 07!!!!!!!

[Lucky 275]

Chevrons

[rogersbm82]

Its to bad Tige is coping mc dash and the malibu looks for 09, so much for Tige being special.

I am gonna have to call you out on this one. Go back to wakeworld with comments like that. If I wanted to spend all day listening to people bashTige, that's where I would be. We shouldn't have to defend our boats on our own damn website. :bs:

[Jason B]

I am gonna have to call you out on this one. Go back to wakeworld with comments like that. If I wanted to spend all day listening to people bashTige, that's where I would be. We shouldn't have to defend our boats on our own damn website. :bs:

For what it's worth, I didn't take his comment like that. Serirously now, how many ways is there to incorporate a screen into a dash? Somebody is gonna look like they copied somebody--it's the nature of the beast. I didn't take the comments as bashing.

I don't really get all the "who copied who" talk on any of the boat boards anyway...visit an MX site and nobody gives a sh!t who used EFI or steering dampers or rising rate linkage first. What difference does it really make? Let the snot noses on WW caw around like hens all they want. F them, they obviously need an additional freaking hobby to occupy thier idle time.

[balair]

I agree, Ive seen the MC dash on a prostar and it looks nothing like the Tige. The new tige actually looks more like a malibu.

I noticed that Centurion Has the Same gauges and screen as Tige and Malibu do.

[balair]

Its to bad Tige is coping mc dash and the malibu looks for 09, so much for Tige being special.

You know what I like about Tige....even if they are taking designs from other companies, they are taking the best ones and putting them all together to make one boat that is absolutely flawless. Yeah I like the pickle fork design mastercraft has, but i don't like their dash or graphics. I'm sure tige wasn't the first boat with a built in cooler, but they have it and I don't see people saying they ripped that off too. Tige is simply taking other designs and improving on them. Tige also wasn't the first company to have a v-drive or a tower on their boat, some things just become industry standard and the second company that follows always gets the greif, not the third company :02:

[ragboy]

For what it's worth, I didn't take his comment like that. Serirously now, how many ways is there to incorporate a screen into a dash? Somebody is gonna look like they copied somebody--it's the nature of the beast. I didn't take the comments as bashing.

I don't really get all the "who copied who" talk on any of the boat boards anyway...visit an MX site and nobody gives a sh!t who used EFI or steering dampers or rising rate linkage first. What difference does it really make? Let the snot noses on WW caw around like hens all they want. F them, they obviously need an additional freaking hobby to occupy thier idle time.

Exactly, EFI is a good example, many things are just natural evolution. But I think between the 3, each has had there share of stuff outside of that. How else would they get us to buy new boats?

[balair]

I wouldn't be suprised if in the future we stars seeing normal boats with pickle forks, it's a great design. I think Tige has made it much better than MC though becasue my friends used to bury their x-star all the time and I have yet to on my RZ4 and I have gone over much bigger wakes

[ragboy]

Already out there. Here is a four winns.

http://assets2.fourwinnsmarketing.com/images/model/2008/SL262/overhead.jpg?1212769093

And a chaparral

http://www.chaparralmedia.net/boatImages/sunx/224/sun224XTRE22.jpg

Probably more out there or coming.

[balair]

I've seen the Chap, I don't know if I would consider the SeaRay Sundeck series and Chap Sunnesta series the same as a piclefork.

[ragboy]

I've seen the Chap, I don't know if I would consider the SeaRay Sundeck series and Chap Sunnesta series the same as a piclefork.

Its the same concept, widen the bow for more room.

[Jason B]

I looked at the Four Winns at the Chicago boat show. I was really excited to see it since they really advertised it heavily. It was a disappointment. I thought Four Winns was one of the better quality manufacturers out there? Poor quality IMHO with the details and vinyl. I did like the concepts that they "borrowed" from the other boats, seems like it was well thought out using the best ideas from many sources. It was a pretty good example of borrowing.

[evil0ne]

Four Winns is not one the better manufacturers, they are one of the bigger more economic lines.