Planet Nautique

[NHtigefan]

Has anyone seen this thread at Planet Nautique? What are your thoughts? They are obviously biased but how much is fiction?

[NHtigefan]

http://www.planetnautique.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=6710&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

[Tequilasun]

Biased?

How could you say they are biased!

Most of that is crap talking, owner goggles.

You will find that Nautiques are generally made very well though, and will hold their value. I don't know of anyone that will say they aren't well made.

But taking that point to excess and saying that tiges aren't well made is B.S.

[dogbert]

All boats have their fans and all boats have their share of problems. The biggest reason I wouldn't buy a Nautique is that our local dealer, Sail & Ski, really sucks. Every time I've taken my jet skis or previous boat there for service, I ended up with more problems than I started with.

[spharis]

I love reading comments like this.......
i havent rode a tige but all the people i talked to at a clinic said there wake was garbage

And more generally, you could not give me a Tige. Literally, I have had this conversation with my wife. In this theoretical la-la land, if someone offered me a free Tige 22 outright but forced a clause into it that said I had to use it and ride behind it an appreciable amount of water time, had to practice my tournament pass behind it, and couldnt shirk out and just ride on our 2001 or SAN, I would say no thank you. I know of several pros destroying their Tiges in an effort to get a good wake out of it. I normally try to be pretty neutral, due to my Web sites and my work with wakeboarder.com, but Tige is the one manufacturer that I have no use for, whatsoever.



So two votes from 2 idiots.....one wouldnt take a free boat, and one has never been in a Tige' and knows they are crap. Good stuff!

[Dents]

It is nice to see that all Nautique owners are not complete idiots. Anyone that says Tiges are complete pieces of crap have obviously never owned, been it or riden behind one. Some Nautique guys are a different breed for sure. If it is not a Nautique then it is a piece of crap and that goes for Supra, Malibu, Tige and so on. It was nice to see some Nautique owners saying positive things about Tige. In my opinion, I would not own a CC over a Tige. I have a 21i and my friend has a 216 Nautique. Both are about the same size boat. Unweighted or partially weighted my wake is WAAAAAY better than his. The only time his is better is if there is about 2,000 pounds in his boat. In addition, the fit and finish in the Tige is better. Sorry Nautique guys!!

[Lucky 275]

the clown that won't take a tige for free is a huge nautique fanboy and a moderator over @ wakeboarder.com. I've read his crap for years.

I like Nautique, but the dealer around here is very proud of them.

[talltigeguy]

I'm glad that he discussed it with his wife. That was really important for us to know. I suppose she is an authority on the issue.

A guy who has never been in one, but wouldn't take one for free because of his knowledge of it...

[Redlined]

Another feather in the cap of why I never read WBer.com. Always thought the site was made up of tools, and the fact that kook is a Mod there, solidifies that statement. Any day of the week, I will run the wake of my unmolested Tige', against any similar year Natty, and don't forget the box of tissues. Straight outta the box, there is nothing to compare. The only thing I like about the Natties are the electric hatches and the battery placements-big woop. Other than those two little things, they have nothing over Tige. I'm in a 2001 and I have a close friend with a 2001 Natty, and hands down, my wake is just S I C, over his. Even children know which wake is superior, because they tell us all the time, which and whose is better. That's what cool about kids, they speak without BS. Talk is cheap, especially on the ole Internet. Eff, I will take a 16' Basstracker, if it were free......

[Domsz06]

I've never been behind a Naut, but every wake I have seen, my 21i is so much better. And for surfing, I had it barreling with just five people in the back and no sacks full. I mean each to his own. I love my tige and wouldn't trade it for anything, plus I don't feel like paying that much for a boat. You pay for the name on the naut. I have a friend who has a 99 naut, and he likes my wake so much better, not too mention he had to replace all of his interiour last year. Now maybe that's just due to how we take care of our boats. My boat looks good as new, except for one seam that is ripping that will be fixed this winter!!

[NICKYPOO]

I was out on Tahoe yesterday and had just finished a surf set with just four people and no ballast. No problem. A buddy of mine who is a former Diehard Nautweeker (lost boat in divorse) happened to be out on the water in his new boat (hand me down Rinell) and had spotted us. Funny because he had just been talking about our boat earlier in the day. He said he had been out that morning on a clients brand new 23'Bu and were trying to surf it. Nnnnnnno! Anyways, he had brought up to his buddies that "You should surf behind my buddies Tige. That thing's got the best wake around." I had to appologize that I couldn't give them a pull (or a push;) ) as we were just heading back to the ramp.

Signed,
Love my Tige

[chpthril]

(lost boat in divorse

I bet the 'bi-otch' kept it out of spite.

[NHtigefan]

Originally posted by spharis
I love reading comments like this.......


So two votes from 2 idiots.....one wouldnt take a free boat, and one has never been in a Tige' and knows they are crap. Good stuff!


There were also some thoughtful answers! I eliminated Eric's opinion b/c it was over the top, didn't mention anything concrete except for the wakeboard wake which we don't care about.

[zeda]

I totally agree with the planetnautique site being a bit crappy in comparison to this site. The only regret I have from moving from Tige to CC are the Tige owners (you guys rock). I think a big difference in owners here is that you guys always give the pros and cons about all boats and try not to put down other brands. This is something I've embraced and will hopefully continue to not bash other boat brands, especially Tige.

[NICKYPOO]

Originally posted by chpthril
I bet the 'bi-otch' kept it out of spite.
She was gonna, but before everything was finallized, he found a buyer, took it, sold it and gave her half the money, without her knowing about it. :D Unfortunatly for him, he sold it to his neighbor and he has to see it in the driveway everyday. Oh well, at least she didn't get to keep it, the Biotch.

[chpthril]

It's nice how they get half of everything we own, except the debt, we guys get to keep all of that!:rolleyes:

[NHtigefan]

Does anyone know why the 211 is ASWA class 3 slalom approved and the Tige 22 isn't?

[dogbert]

Originally posted by NHtigefan
Does anyone know why the 211 is ASWA class 3 slalom approved and the Tige 22 isn't?

Didn't you learn anything from the PlanetNautique site? It's the wake! :D

Seriously, my guess is that no one from Tige thought it was worth the bother to have a wakeboard boat certified for slalom.

[zeda]

Does anyone know why the 211 is ASWA class 3 slalom approved and the Tige 22 isn't?

That might have something to do with the 211 have a slightly better slalom wake. I test drove the 211 and was very impressed with the slalom wake, more so than my previous boat (Tige 22V). The 211 wake is better at a greater variety of line lengths. I found that the 22V was only good at 15 off.

[sparky216]

I love reading comments like this....I love reading comments like this.......

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i havent rode a tige but all the people i talked to at a clinic said there wake was garbage

And more generally, you could not give me a Tige. Literally, I have had this conversation with my wife. In this theoretical la-la land, if someone offered me a free Tige 22 outright but forced a clause into it that said I had to use it and ride behind it an appreciable amount of water time, had to practice my tournament pass behind it, and couldnt shirk out and just ride on our 2001 or SAN, I would say no thank you. I know of several pros destroying their Tiges in an effort to get a good wake out of it. I normally try to be pretty neutral, due to my Web sites and my work with wakeboarder.com, but Tige is the one manufacturer that I have no use for, whatsoever.
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Maybe I'm weird, but I'd take a free Bayliner if someone wanted to give it to me:D

[chpthril]

400 lbs lighter might give it a little better wake.

[dogbert]

Originally posted by sparky216
Maybe I'm weird, but I'd take a free Bayliner if someone wanted to give it to me:D

LOL, yeah, a boat's a boat. I'd still rather be out on the water than sitting on shore. There's a guy on WSR who's got a Capri 175. He's added a tower, ballast and is working on his stereo. From what I saw, that thing threw a pretty nice wake for a 17' boat.

While we're on the subject of PlanetNautique, I started another Off-Topic thread about funny bumper stickers after I saw one that said:

"I see dumb people"

[NHtigefan]

THE GOOD
**the vinyl is good on the 2006’s. the 2007’s have AWESOME vinyl that feels almost like suede. I do question how durable and how stain/dirt resistant it will be.
**I am a fan of a huge sun deck (more place for women to bask in the sun), but the Tige’s deck is growing on me. The extra storage in the back (similar to the 236 crossover) is of no use, but it makes a nice place to sit when you are chilling. The walkthrough is a waste on all boats in my opinion. I do like the lip/curl on the transom. The design (at the expense of storage space in the rear lockers) is awesome as it keeps surf rollers from coming over the transom.
**right next to Calabria, Tige has the biggest platforms in the business. Big kudos.
**the new dash on the 22ve is very nice compared to the older models that pointed skyward.
**the wake on the 22ve is very nice. It is a definite improvement over the 22v. it is very rampy with no additionally weight. Add some weight aft and it does start to peak nicely. Load it down like crazy and it will get very big.
**surf wake is what you would expect out of a 102” wide boat: big and nice!
**the upgraded stereo sounds very nice.

THE OBJECTIONABLE
**the boat is big. 22' long by 102" wide. for being a 22' boat, you sure dont feel like you are in a vessel that big. There is a lot of length that is wasted by fiberglass both fore and aft that yields no additionally functionality. While it is deeper, the cockpit feels no bigger than an older model Malibu VLX. But then again, I am spoiled by a 21’ Calabria ProV that feels like a 24’ boat.
**the ballast system is a complete afterthought. It is a four-tank unit, all tanks above the floor. The tank that sits under the observer seat is a colossal disaster. It almost completely blocks access to that vast storage space.
**the steering is EXTREMELY light. I know this is personal preference, but if I wasn’t concentrating on holding a strait line, then it was next to impossible to keep the wheel form floating from side to side. Every time I looked in the mirror, I noticed that my prop wash was zigzagging. Even the tige sales rep made comment of it being too sensitive.
**the speed control is retarded. It works off of a guestimation. You get the rider up to “speed” then you hit the “set” button. Then you press the up or down button to increase or decrease the speed. I guess having learned on perfect pass, this system just seems like it as not as user friendly. if it aint broke, dont fix it.
**the rubber bungee cords they use on their board racks are a joke. The stretch and then they break. Also, each rack has worked itself loose on the water. Nothing like busting out the allen wrenches to make them useable again.
**the cup holders in the cockpit are on the floor rather than along the gunnels. While this may seem like splitting hairs, it allows cups/cans/drinks to get kicked and spilled. It is an inconvenience to bend down to the cup holders rather than having them at user height. On every other boat I have been in, cup holders double as watch/phone/jewelry/wallet holders. On the Tige, it places those items on the floor in a foots path and allows wet bathing suits, life jackets, and rain to soak them.

[chpthril]

OK, where is the 'fair & Balance'. lets see a 'cross the board' comparison of the same areas on a like model from the CC stable?
There is a lot of length that is wasted by fiberglass both fore and aft that yields no additionally functionality
I have not found this on my 22Ve. it's amazing how much 'crap' I have found room for. the tree transom storage wells have been used as rope/glove storage to a cooler and trash can. The walk-through of the 211 eats up a lot of potential storage.
the speed control is retarded. It works off of a guestimation. You get the rider up to “speed” then you hit the “set” button. Then you press the up or down button to increase or decrease the speed
Computers don't 'guestimate'. It works as simple as cruise control has worked in cars since the 70's
the rubber bungee cords they use on their board racks are a joke. The stretch and then they break. Also, each rack has worked itself loose on the water. Nothing like busting out the allen wrenches to make them useable again.
these same racks are used on other brands, and they are being improved.
The extra storage in the back (similar to the 236 crossover) is of no use, but it makes a nice place to sit when you are chilling
When you are used to having only 1/2 the storage as the211 crossover (http://www.correctcraft.com/main.htm) does, well duh!
the boat is big. 22' long by 102" wide. for being a 22' boat, you sure dont feel like you are in a vessel that big
I know the 22Ve seats more, more comfortably.
While it is deeper, the cockpit feels no bigger than an older model Malibu VLX Once again, the CC's are left out.

Just my thoughts.

[NHtigefan]

The Fair and balanced is that he gave his opinions on what he liked and disliked which were about equal. You may disagree with him but he can't say he wasn't fair and balanced. Actually you can say it but it's not true!

[NICKYPOO]

I think he makes some valid points in both sections. We all know the issues with the board racks, he is dead on about the cup holders (come on Tige, please figure that one out), above floor tanks for a ballast system suck, newer dashes are an improvement over the older "skyward" dashes and the Ve transom works very well, even if he hasn't figured out how much stuff he can put in a Tige vs. a Tweek. These are after all just opions from a non-Tige owner, just someone who at least has enough sense to shop them out when considering a new boat. The Tweeks are a solid boat, I just don't care for they way are designed, small boats for small people.:D

[talltigeguy]

Small people, he,he,he I can't stop laughing...

[Tequilasun]

What's the beam on a Tweek? 92" I bet talltigeguy could touch both gunnels at the same time. :D


BTW, don't you have to be over 6' to own a tige? I though I read that somewhere :D

My guess is the 102" beam on the tige contributes to the AWSA issue.

[chpthril]

Originally posted by NHtigefan
The Fair and balanced is that he gave his opinions on what he liked and disliked which were about equal. You may disagree with him but he can't say he wasn't fair and balanced. Actually you can say it but it's not true!

If the Auther was an editor giving his evaluation of a new model, he would be 'fair and balanced'. But he is an owner of a competitors brand, pointing out negatives (about Tige) on his brand's web site. Yes, he did point out both pros and cons.

IMO, If you're going to tell me my boat sucks, than tell me what is better about your boat.

Apples to apples, that's all I'm asking.

[zeda]

Fair and Balanced....I like my boat better than yours because it's my boat:cool: Bottom line is that people have preferences in just about every aspect of a boat and critique boats based on those preferences. One element of a boat may be the selling point for them and the thing that drives another buyer away. My preference is for the CC220 because of the layout, wake, keyless ignition, etc. I think the 220 wake is superior to my Tige 22V wake. Important words in that last statement are "I think". I could go into all of the little details, but it really doesn't matter to anyone but me and my family. Enjoy what you have.

[NHtigefan]

Zeda

Well said!

[FIC]

Speaking from a prior owner of nautiques, one who works on all brands on a dayly basis, one who drives all brands all the time for testing , and also one whos family skis in tournament , we prefer the tiges for there versatility, performance , the steering is second to none and over all dependability. Our Air Nautique ballast would by design only fill while moving, it was very hard to do a right hand turn for a doubleup, the windshield and tower constantly coming loose , and even with the most fanaticall of care ( I even wax my engine ) our upolsterie was starting to go after only three years , as far as the key pads we replace them all the time, the under dash computor also and guage failure is fairly offten. So there is my imput. Dom@ Fortes Imboard Connection

[hoopykat]

Dom,

It's nice to see an opinion from someone who is exposed to many other brands of boats, and to see that Tige' comes out ahead of them all. Thanks for the post.

Mike

[Wake Havasu]

Originally posted by FIC
Speaking from a prior owner of nautiques, one who works on all brands on a dayly basis, one who drives all brands all the time for testing , and also one whos family skis in tournament , we prefer the tiges for there versatility, performance , the steering is second to none and over all dependability. Our Air Nautique ballast would by design only fill while moving, it was very hard to do a right hand turn for a doubleup, the windshield and tower constantly coming loose , and even with the most fanaticall of care ( I even wax my engine ) our upolsterie was starting to go after only three years , as far as the key pads we replace them all the time, the under dash computor also and guage failure is fairly offten. So there is my imput. Dom@ Fortes Imboard Connection

I sent you a PM re my 6.0 as you are the only other person I have ever met that runs one in Tige!

[FIC]

Did you work out your problems with your 6.0 l on the overheating? Dom@ Fortes Inboard Connection