Wake Size

[Domsz06]

How does everyone like their wake size on the tige? I have the 2003 21ir and I like it a lot. It was used in the 02 world games I believe. I think it's pretty nice, but I haven't ever been behind anything else:) well, except an 97 tige, i believe the comp ski boat with a ten foot pole. It's nice, but not as nice as mine;)

[David]

I love the wakesize on my Tige. My family just bought a 2004 Tige 22V and its great. The younger kids can go small while I use the bigger wake. Ive ridden behind Air Nautiques and some of the Master Craft X-Series. None compare to Tige.

[Domsz06]

now when you say they don't compare, is it that they are smaller or what? just wondering. ON wakeboarder.com, I keep getting slammed for haveing one, but I LOVE MINE!

[RZMike]

ON wakeboarder.com, I keep getting slammed for haveing one, but I LOVE MINE!

I quit visiting wakeboarder.com for that same reason.

[Domsz06]

yeah, they are real anal over there. I just go there to find some other boarders, or if I need some cheap stuff to buy;) other then that I don't go there too often

[Banks]

I wouldn't worry too much about getting slammed. I have ridden behind a lot of diff. boats and i chose tige' cause it was what i liked not what someone else liked. Also, if you check out the east coast all it knows is Correct Craft and MasterCraft, but when you check out the west coast it is slam packed with Tige'. My friends gave me crap cause they have old mastercrafts that they live by but after riding my boat they didn't comment a lot, but they certainly haven't talked crap since, not to mention one of them does have a 2003 X2, the others are like 93's though.
But anyway i wouldn't let it get to you. its all personal preferance.
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[Domsz06]

Oh I don't let anything get to me, I mean I bought the boat, and I LOVE it. I was just wondering how it compares. (I didn't really shop around) I have been behind tige's and my friend that has one talks about them so much, and my basically second set of parents are looking at getting one this fall, so I beat them too it:)

[tigebill]

I find that most people that talk negative about the Tige wake has never actually been behind the boat. For anyone that hasn't ridden behind a Tige, it is an excellent wake and you should really get behind one. Any of you guys are more than welcome to come see us in Dallas and we'll give you a pull behind our shop boat. It is a 2004 22V Limited:D

[David]

I agree...I love the Tige wake, its great.

[Domsz06]

yeah, I love my wake, and just got back from the lake

[aneal000]

I have had the opportunity to ride behind a 22iR and the wake seems small, soft, and washy. How do you guys make the wake better?

[Domsz06]

Originally posted by aneal000
I have had the opportunity to ride behind a 22iR and the wake seems small, soft, and washy. How do you guys make the wake better?

I don't have any opportunity to ride behind anything else, but on my 21ir i put about 1200 lbs, and I'm looking at adding about 600 more to finish it off. Mine launches me, but my problem is I just don't know how to really handle it. Right now I jump real hard, and everything, but I haven't figured out how to let the wake Throw me up. I know it can do it, because I've seen people, maybe one day I'll figure it out.

[jeffro]

Originally posted by aneal000
I have had the opportunity to ride behind a 22iR and the wake seems small, soft, and washy. How do you guys make the wake better?

properly weighting and correct speed will produce a very solid wake. I have a 21i R, with 600 # in the gullwing, 250 on each side of the motor, and 400 in the walkeway, wake was great, and we only had 3 people (2 in the boat 1 boarding).

my next plan is to try 600 in the gullwing, 600 on each side of the motor and a 600 in the walkway.... :D

hit that about 23/24 mph, and taps on 7.....dreamy.

[Domsz06]

that should LAUNCH ya:) Jeffro

[aneal000]

I ride behind a lot of different boats. I have only had a few opportunities to ride behind a tige. The 22iR I spent some time in had a 500 lb fat sack in the walkway/bow and one in the rear. Total around 1000 pounds if you believe they hold that. With the taps set at wakeboard and 4 people in the boat the wake was very washy, a little small and soft. I was wondering if that boat needed more weight, if it wasn't capable, or what? I ride behind the VLX, X2, and SANTE on a more regular basis and all of those wakes are much better with regard to size, shape, and hardness. I was just wondering if maybe the 22iR isin't the boat of choice for the best Tige wakes? Or if there was something we should do to make them better.

[jeffro]

that sounds strange aneal000, at first i would say maybe the speed isn't correct. with that weight and with 4 people in the boat, the wake should be clean....how long of a rope were you on? it is possible if you were on a 80+ foot rope that you were back in the wash if the boat was doing 22-24 mph.

with what i described above in weighting my 21i, it's got a large wake..the 22i should be able to do at least the same if not bigger than mine.

[aneal000]

jeffro, thanks for the reply. I usually ride at 70' sometimes 75'. When I was behind the Tige I was more than likely at 70' and usually ride in the 23 mph range. The wake seemes to have a bubbly lip to it, whitewash on the top, which made it hard to get thru. A good friend of mine owns the boat and I would like to be able to offer a suggestion or solution to make it better for all of us when we take it out. I have rode behind some other tiges and have not noticed the whitewash, just this one.

[Banks]

If he is the one who owns it how come he is not asking the question?
it being his boat and all

[jeffro]

aneal000 , very odd...at 23 mph and 70' there should be a clean wake. maybe his speedo is not calibrated or set correctly?

outside of spreading the weight around evenly with a little bit more towards the back, i'm not sure why his wake doesn't add up to what it should be? what year was it? if it was older than an 2003, i would understand the issues as i think the hull design changed for 2003 in the 22i.

[Banks]

yeah i have 21i 2003 and the wake is clean no matter

[Domsz06]

i have an 03 21i and at 70 feet, with the speed at 21 and about 1200 lbs it's a nice clean, big wake. and the taps was at 7

[Tige22ityper]

My 2002 22i has a great wake! It did take some time to dial it in without adding weight. We have found that the best rope length is 65' (seems short to some) and about 21.5-22.5 mph. TAPS set at 6.5-7. The wake has good shape and is not that hard to get a good launch. I would like to try to add some ballast this year, maybe 250# in each locker in the back and then some in the walkway just to see what it will do. Me and the guys I ride with are not real good yet though, so we want to get better before we start building a bigger wake.

[aneal000]

Banks do you have anything better to do than be an *** hole?

I spend a lot of time online and a lot of time behind different boats. My opinion of his wake is my own. I feel it could be better and would like to see if anyone out there has suggestions on how to make it better! I don't even know if he knows about this site, much less cares that his wake has a bubbly lip to it. When I ride behing the boat I do care. I thought I would ask the question. If someone on here says, oh yeah, mine used to do that, try moving more of the weight to the back, or to one side or ditch 500 pounds, or that boat really needs 2000 pounds before the wake gets good... then I would suggest that to him next time out.


To everyone else, thanks for all of your responses.

[Cheeky]

Move weight to the back. I can not imagine any boat that does well with the exact same amount front and back. My 21 V runs with 700 in back and 400 in front. Even thought it is different boats, I would think the ratio should be more like that.

Also, wakeboard magazine ran an article on this and I believe their advice would be to move some back if the wake is washy. Leaving Taps set on 8 is not always best. Sometime based on the # of people and ballast, you can clean the wake up by taking Taps down a notch (to say 5 or 6)

[aneal000]

Cheeky, thanks for the info... I guess considering it is a dd that might help, adding more weight to the rear that is. I have alway had good luck with even weight distribution in various other boats, it always seemes to make the wakes harder. Just not in this one. I will see how it works next time out. Thanks again.

[tigebill]

It will also depend on what year the boat is. Tige chanced the hull design and filled in the spray pockets in '03. This took care of a good part of the washy wake. However, I never have had a problem with the older 22i's. I think the guy from American Lake has it dialed in on his 22i and should answer your question just fine.

[aneal000]

I'm not for sure the year, I think 2000 or 2001??? not for sure, but I do know it is not a 2003.

[Cheeky]

Actually, didn't they fill in the soray pockets in 02 on the 22i? They released the 22v in 03 and I could have sworn the 22i was reintroduced the year before. They quit making the 22i for a few years.

I would still try to move some weight back. Several guys I ride with have Tiges and I have not seen any with even weight. The older Tiges can be finicly as to weight placement and getting washy versus a lip.

[Tige22ityper]

22i had spray pockets filled in starting in 2003.

[Cheeky]

But it is a redesinged hull in 02 versus the older ones, correct????

I am almost sure it was different from older models...

[DoubleA]

I also have a 22I-r and the weight distibution is very crucial, and also very sensitive due to the deep vee of this boat. If your tank is full (gas) I recomend a 440# side sac in each of the back lockers and a 550 -600# in the bow walkway. The less gas in the boat the less weight in the nose! The wash in the wake is due to too much weight in the back, oh yeah set your taps only at 4 or less I run @ 2 . Speed is on the upper end of 23 mph or 2600rpm with rope @ 70'+ ,this is how Bish runs the boat for Tige' clinics and works extreamly well. email me if you have more Q?

Cheers- Aaron

[aneal000]

DoubleA, thanks that is exactly what I was looking for!

[Shaz]

The 22iR I spent some time in had a 500 lb fat sack in the walkway/bow and one in the rear.
I ride behind a 21i and have ballast in rear, and two in front. All balancing the boat evenly. The problem I have is that my driver is large and his wheight causes the wake on the left side to peak and be a bit washy. We then have to put even wheight passenger opposite the driver to fix my problem and even out the wake. I am happy with my wake when we ballance the boat out in this way.

[typerider]

i ride behind a 22ir of my own and as of right now my set up isn't the most beautiful but its works pretty well... anyway i've been using a 750lb. sack in the bow... 560 lbs of phat buddies in the rear between the engine and rear seats and then 300 of barbells far back as possible in the rear side pockets... it totals up to 1610 lbs. in all i believe.. i generally ride with taps at a low setting but cranking it here and there depending on conditions and lengths... i ride at 70-75 feet out and at about 23-24 miles per hour so everything seems great to me... i'm about 6'1" and the wake is above my knees and clean so it works

[Sammamish22V]

Double A, that is exactly how I weighted my 02 22IR. I filled up 2 500# sacs as much as I could in the rear lockers, and a 600# sac in the front walkway and the wake was great. When I got more than 3 people in the boat, I would take some weight out of the back sacs and have them only half way full.

Aneal000, a lot of your issue depends on what year the boat is. The 01 and 02's had spray pockets and it was a little more difficult to dial in. If it is washy, put more weight up front, not back. The more weight you put in the back of that boat, the more washy it will be. In 03, they filled on those pockets and the wake is awesome now and should not have any problems with washing out.

Just curious, how do bubbles on the lip of a wake affect your riding?

[maroco]

i am trying to get my wake set just right and it seems to be a bit hard. I want it to set more like the newer tiges and i will spend the money to do it. i have 2 275lbs in the back and 1 600 in the front. It seems to be caseing/washing over on one side most of the time. we can get it nice but it takes a lot of time. anyone have any suggestions i have read something about adding fiberglass to the side of the boat to make the sides flat is this an idea? or even a new prop?

[typerider]

hey haven't checkedup on this in awhile but heres the deal i figured it out. after talking to several tige' people who work for them and other sources we've cracked the 22i's mysteriously odd wake issues. i ride an '01 22 type r which is the origianl of the series so trust me i've found all the problems. the deal is that you have to front weight these boats no matter how many v drive guys tell you that all the weights gotta be in the back trust me. plus it'll save you so much gas money because the boat plains out much faster this way. anywhoo with mine correctly weighted and i put in 1610 lbs. the rear wood deck is flush with the water level but the boat is pretty low. when you stand on it however it does drop under the surface about an inch or so depending on what you weigh. my setup above says how i do it but i use more weight than the factory for my setup. and i have found out that if you move the side sacs directly behind the drivers seat and in the same spot on the opposing side of the engine it works even better. they are only 250 lbs a piece so you can move them about enough to get ur wake just dialed in but trust me its good as is. you have to remember that if its just you and a rider that you have lose a few pounds on the drivers side to get it even as well. as for what tige' does... on all the new boats they put a 60% weight in the rear and 40% up front thats how their ballast system is set up. works great on the newer ones. not so great on mine. honestly anyone can tell you hey man i've done this and it works but the only real way to find out what really works for you is just to go out there and jack with it until you get it super dialed in and your rider likes it. from there just remember the spots you put the weight and you'll be good. i mean its not hard to calculate roughly how much to subtract and add depending on the people weight...ice chest weight... battery(s)... and other random crap you keep in the boat thats heavy. 22i's are twitchy on the setup but you man handle it and get it setup. just mess with it you'll get it.

[mjirving]

To get back to the original question I rode on an Air Nautique with a wakesurfer and could not ride the wake without the rope with or without ballast at any speed. It was bizarre. I ride my '03 22v all over without the rope on both sides of the wake easy at 12.5 mph.

[Gardyloo03]

i like it better with about 1500 pounds in the boat

[Matt Garcia]

Originally posted by maroco
i am trying to get my wake set just right and it seems to be a bit hard. I want it to set more like the newer tiges and i will spend the money to do it. i have 2 275lbs in the back and 1 600 in the front. It seems to be caseing/washing over on one side most of the time. we can get it nice but it takes a lot of time. anyone have any suggestions i have read something about adding fiberglass to the side of the boat to make the sides flat is this an idea? or even a new prop?

What speed are you at and what TAPS setting? I used a similar setup (but a bit more weight) with the TAPS at 2 or 3 and a speed of 23 and had no wash, in fact the wake was very nice. This was on an 01 23V.