Does your reverse SUCK on your 24VE?

[dyldebus]

Hopefully it's just an issue with my boat and can be fixed... but my reverse is horrid on the 24ve. Regardless which direction the wheel is turned the boat only seems to go to the left if you're facing the back. Anyone else have this issue? It's pretty crappy when the wind is high and I'm trying to trailer.

[NICKYPOO]

That's just life in an inboard boat. It's just something your going to have to get used to. The do not turn reverse. Is this your first inboard?

[dyldebus]

My family had a I/O 92' Tige for years. It was much smaller but definitely had more control backing up. I guess I'll have to buy some oars.

[NICKYPOO]

Originally posted by dyldebus
My family had a I/O 92' Tige for years. It was much smaller but definitely had more control backing up. I guess I'll have to buy some oars.

:confused: An I/O Tige? Are you sure? I was unaware that Tige ever made an I/O. Got any pics? That would definately explain for the lack of control you feel. An I/O turns the entire drive unit which, below the water line is basically the prop and rudder in one piece. An inboard has only the rudder for turning. When in reverse, it is in front of the prop and really has no effect as the water being push off of the prop is being pushed in one direction with no rudder for the boat to "push off of". Does that make any sense?

[dyldebus]

Maybe my terms are messed up :) the engine was in the center of the boat rather then the rear. It was one of the first Tige's around when they were known for having the "flattest" wake. Good for skiing, that's about it.

It definitely makes sense. It's too bad they can't do some mini rudder in front of the prop... or a rudder that comes down when reverse is engaged. Thanks for the explanation.

[xpjim1]

I know it took a while for me to get used to the backing tendencies of the inboard. I always start on the right side of the ramp when facing it to launch and push the boat of the majority of the way before i put it in gear. Gives more room when backing. When trailering the wind is a pain on the bigger boats.. There are threads on this topic about the approach etc. Do a search.


Enjoy the new 24 VE

[NICKYPOO]

I seriously doubt you had an I/O Tige. What you had was a Direct Drive. What you have now is a V-Drive. The 24ve is a big boat. Coming from a slalom boat to a big assed wake boat is quite a change. I haven't driven a 24ve yet but I'm betting their not quite as responsive as old 2002 flsm.

PS- I have seen a Direct-Drive I/O. It was a Cobalt with a center mounted small block Mercruiser with a drive shaft that ran to a Mercruiser Alfa 1 outdrive. What a contraption. Pretty cool boat though. When it wasn't in the shop that is. It had a "Rumble Seat", if you will, in the bow.

[Tequilasun]

You know, I had an 18' DD a few years ago, and I don't remember it being easier to back up than my 22V.

I do know that wind does effect the 22v much more, and it can get really fun when it gets windy and crowded.

[dyldebus]

I do know that wind does effect the 22v much more, and it can get really fun when it gets windy and crowded. [/B]

I know what you mean, it's the crowds in AZ that make it real scary. They love to tie up to the dock even on the loading side and sit there for a few hours. At least everyone has the same problem :)

[Sandmoose]

I just got a 2004 24V and have the same problem. I knew inboards back up to the right due to the rotation direction of the prop. I drove my buddy's 88 Supra several times. I traded in my Regal I/O on the Tige. My wife and I took it out last Sunday for the first time. It was very frustrating to try and drop someone off at the dock. I got turned around sideways on the ramp and kept getting closer to the concrete. It was pretty hairy. I hear it gets easier, I hope thats true!

[tony dunn jr.]

You are not alone dyldebus on that one my previos boat was an i/o and my 06 ve is not even close when it comes to reverse.

[TeamAllen]

It's more like a 3...4...5...6... point turn.

[ctcranor]

You will need to play around with it but I'll bet you'll find that you can back up fairly straight with the rudder all the way to the left and turn fairly hard right with the rudder to the right.

The boat will turn on a dime if you use your forward and reverse back and forth alternating right rudder in reverse, left rudder forward. Unlike the I/O that so many of us are/were used to, engaging your V-drive into forward and reverse quickly is OK and fairly smooth without that old familar CLUCK the I/O gave you. I know I'm lacking your 4 additional feet with my 20V but I'll bet you can spin your boat 180 degrees using this method with little more than a few feet forward and aft.

[Wake Havasu]

Yup backing a 24Ve Inboard is a bear at first.
go s l o w l y till your gain experience.

Get a pole and make sure you have some help in the beginning to help push you away from docks and other boats.

ALL inboards back up funny.



Get a telescoping Boat Hook from Overtons

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[dyldebus]

Good call on the poll... I'll definitely get one of those.

ctcranor: I figured out that little trick my last time out. It definitely works better but it's still chaotic when there's traffic out :)

[wrangler]

The best advice that I have received far and away is to be patient. Don't rush...don't worry about holding up that 42 foot behemoth waiting to hit the ramp... Think through your movements and be patient...

I like the pole idea as well... Good guidance Wake Havasu...

[ghollow]

I thought of the pole idea as well when I first got my boat. I used it most of that first summer and have not used it since. It is all a matter of getting used to how the boat handles and how to make do what you want it to do. The pole definitely saved some bumps and bruises on my boat that first summer.

[NICKYPOO]

I made my wife deal with it.:D

Yes, patience is the key. A good practice drill is to set up a bouy somewhere that has calm water and no distractions. Practice pulling the nose of the boat right up to it with out hitting it and then pulling away from it. You can practice it with all sides of the boat just so that you can get used to how the boat is going to react in those sticky situations.

Driving a boat is much like flying an airplane. Anybody can drive them, only pilots can land them.

[dogbert]

Originally posted by dyldebus
Hopefully it's just an issue with my boat and can be fixed... but my reverse is horrid on the 24ve. Regardless which direction the wheel is turned the boat only seems to go to the left if you're facing the back. Anyone else have this issue? It's pretty crappy when the wind is high and I'm trying to trailer.

I think what's different about your 24V is that it is substantially bigger than your old '92 Tige. The bigger the inboard, the less control you will have when backing up.

The real trick is to learn how to use reverse to accentuate your momentum that you build up when going forward and vice-versa. You can initiate the backwards direction you want to go in while you're still in forward, once you are moving backwards with sufficient momentum, you can affect that direction by dropping it into forward and using the rudder to affect movement of transom end of your boat.

I had a buddy with a 48' DeFever...talk about tricky maneuvering...but he did have two engines, so that helped. Kinda like learning to drive a bobcat.

All the other suggestions provided so far are worth keeping in mind. Especially the one about practice.

[Sandmoose]

Thanks for the advice on the boating pole. Looks like it would come in handy, especially for whacking the kids while still in the drivers seat. :D

[tigepilot]

The cobalt dealer down the road tried to convince me that an inboard was not the way to go because of the lack of control in reverse. He had no idea that I had grown up on a master craft. I told him he had obviously never felt the performance of an inboard or he would change his sales pitch. He didn't say much after that. I guess he figured out I wasn't in there to buy!
After running several inboards and I/O's I would give up the reverse control anyday!!

Plan your approaches at an angle so that when you do go into reverse to slow and then stop that your tail will swing to the right at the last minute. Takes practice. You cant do anything fast at the dock.
However a desent forward speed will give you more control when putting it on the trailer. Be careful and enjoy that fine ride!

[empty_boat]

We advise people to go in the middle of the lake and try backing up to get the feel of it. If you put a 24 V in reverse at idle speed the stern will "walk" to the starboard (right if facing forward, left if facing the rear) however if your give it some power and get water flowing over the rudder you gain some more control. Also do not turn the rudder ALL the way over, go all the way over and then straighten it out some and it will reapond better. The rudder has too much angle at slow reverse speeds and kind of works like a brake when it is turned all the way. Of course experiment in the middle of the lake so you know what to expect when you are in a tight space. And by the way...I carry a pole too...just in case.

[mudduk]

new to forum, new to boating, never drove an inboard befor I bought a 2006 21i about 2 months ago. Also I have almost no boating experience. We just came back from our 5th weekend in Havasu and I now have the reverse down. I can back that thing staight, or against the pull of the prop. 2 ways. the sloow way: turn the wheel opposite off the prop pull and go very very slow, or the fast way: wheel still turned opposite the pull, reverse hard for 1 to 3 seconds then throw into neutral, and coast. time it and gas it right you can back strait, or left.

our second weekend out I launch at a very small ramp and got too close to the rocks and hit the prop. not bad but cost $190 to fix

thanks again for the gas Wakehavasu


Mudduk

[do420jc]

Originally posted by dyldebus
I know what you mean, it's the crowds in AZ that make it real scary. They love to tie up to the dock even on the loading side and sit there for a few hours. At least everyone has the same problem :)
You must be talking about Sagauro Lake? Busiest 2 docks I have ever seen. Not much dock etiguette their either. Did you buy your boat from the Tige dealer in Mesa?

[Razzman]

Originally posted by dyldebus
My family had a I/O 92' Tige for years. It was much smaller but definitely had more control backing up. I guess I'll have to buy some oars.

I've got a '95 Tige 2000slm Comp and it doesn't backup any better! It sure gets frustrating at times so i hear where your coming from! I guess it comes with experience sooner or later!

[Moki]

I find that when going in reverse to give it some gas and then coast in neutral, gas then neutral, helps me to back up a little straighter. Otherwise, I do what TeamAllen does with the 10 point turn.

[mudduk]

10 point turn hard to do on narrow and crowded launch ramp.

[Moki]

What is even harder is a narrow crowded launch ramp with high winds!

[Moki]

Originally posted by Wake Havasu
Yup backing a 24Ve Inboard is a bear at first.
go s l o w l y till your gain experience.

Get a pole and make sure you have some help in the beginning to help push you away from docks and other boats.

ALL inboards back up funny.



Get a telescoping Boat Hook from Overtons

http://www.overtons.com/graphics/products/large/71740L.jpg

http://www.overtons.com/modperl/overtons/detail/pdetail2.cgi?r=detail_view&item_num=71740&fcat=

Wake Havasu,
You are the star of this thread, just bought a telescoping pole. You should work out a commission deal with Overtons:D

[mudduk]

in the snow, up hill both ways:D

[Moki]

BTW Mudduk, you're not a real boater until you have dinged a prop or two and ran out gas:D

Congratulations on your new purchase and welcome to the forum. I look forward to hearing more from you.

[race fan]

I back up by putting it in reverse for about 2 sec. then put it in neut. Let it coast . then repeat it. If it starts to get a little sideways I just put it in forward for a split sec and it straightens out. As for picking up people at the dock I usually back up and let them get on the swimstep. I turn the boat at a aprox 140 degree angle to the dock and then put it in reverse and it backs up straight. If I need to tie off I head bow in at about 15 degrees from parallel with the dock when I get the bow about 2 to 3 feet from the dock put it in reverse and the stern will swing in and your done. Enjoy the new boat. You will get used to it and it will become easy.

[Wake Havasu]

Originally posted by mudduk
new to forum, new to boating, never drove an inboard befor I bought a 2006 21i about 2 months ago. Also I have almost no boating experience. We just came back from our 5th weekend in Havasu and I now have the reverse down. I can back that thing staight, or against the pull of the prop. 2 ways. the sloow way: turn the wheel opposite off the prop pull and go very very slow, or the fast way: wheel still turned opposite the pull, reverse hard for 1 to 3 seconds then throw into neutral, and coast. time it and gas it right you can back strait, or left.

our second weekend out I launch at a very small ramp and got too close to the rocks and hit the prop. not bad but cost $190 to fix

thanks again for the gas Wakehavasu


Mudduk

Hey we met at Cat Tail!

Hey you paid for the gas!

[Dan and Christy]

Our great Tige dealer, Matt of Boats of Nevada, described the angle of the fins having to do with keeping a little bit of constant pressure on the steering wheel while driving. If the fins weren't slightly skewed you would constantly be moving the wheel back and forth while driving to keep the boat straight.

[zad0030]

With the walking system its very easy to dock on the starboard side.

Come in parallel to the dock, pull a U turn and put the nose right on the dock, put it in reverse and the back walks right to the dock. With some practice you will have that down to a science.

When manuvering in tight areas what I do is, keep the safety ring up and just rock from forward to reverse.