2007 Tige 20V vs. 2008 Tige Z1

[TL7]

Hi all - new to the board and possibly will be a Tige owner in the near future. I posted this on WakeWorld and figured to get a more comprehensive comparison here.

Finally sold our boat, and now looking for a v-drive. Ran across these. We want to stay in the 21' range so we can store in garage. Our previous boat was an 07 Moomba Outback, so I don't know much about Tige boats other than a little I've read on here. I was hoping someone could compare these two for me. Main use would be boarding and surfing, but we are looking for a boat that handles chop better than our Outback did.

The 07 20V is 36k with 85 hrs.
The 08 Z1 is 44k with 31 hrs.

What are the pros and cons of each?

Thanks in advance!

[majestic]

Where are you located? Both boats seem priced high in my opinion. I really can't comment in the 20V except for it fells really small to me. The Z1 however I really like and almost bought one in 08 for $49K. The Z1 is the first Tige boat I ever drove and loved it, if it were not for my wife wanting the 22ve I would have bought it.

[MoneyPity]

The Z1 has a wider beam than the 20V. The 20V is 96" while z1 is 102". Both boats are Marine Power typically the 5.7L 340hp EFI. The Z1 has a slightly larger bow area but both the 20V and Z1 have small bow areas and seating is geared for the kids more than an adult.

The cockpit area I think are very close in size and the Z1 has the activity center which I believe reduces the storage space on both sides of the motor.

The Z1 has newer lines and was introduced in 2008. Both boats will handle moderate chop but both ride rough in heavy chop. Speed and economy are almost the same between the two.

The 6" Wider beam does make the cockpit feel bigger but the butt space uses the same layout. The 20V I think has a better looking dash but that is just my opinion.

When I bought my 20V I knew the hull design went back to the early 2001's with minor changes and based on reviews and rating for 2007 20 footers the 20V caught my interest.

We bought ours at the end of 2007 after spending 2 hours of driving a demo 20V in both skiable and heavy chop. It handled better than a Mastercraft 20 footer and at the end of the season we were able to get a great price out the door.

Both are nice boats but the Z1 styling is a little more up to date.
I might have considered the Z1 but it won't fit in my garage. I would recommend that you get a test ride in both of them and develop your opinions. As to price in the Midwest both of the number are $K-$K high.

If I was buying again and had a 21' limit I probably still would go with the 20V. Too each their own.:02:

[ajholt7]

Love my 20v but I have never been in a z1 so I can't compare.

[chpthril]

The Z1 has a wider beam than the 20V. The 20V is 96" while z1 is 102". :

Small correction, Z1 has a 100" beam.

[dom w. forte]

Hi all - new to the board and possibly will be a Tige owner in the near future. I posted this on WakeWorld and figured to get a more comprehensive comparison here.

Finally sold our boat, and now looking for a v-drive. Ran across these. We want to stay in the 21' range so we can store in garage. Our previous boat was an 07 Moomba Outback, so I don't know much about Tige boats other than a little I've read on here. I was hoping someone could compare these two for me. Main use would be boarding and surfing, but we are looking for a boat that handles chop better than our Outback did.

The 07 20V is 36k with 85 hrs.
The 08 Z1 is 44k with 31 hrs.

What are the pros and cons of each?

Thanks in advance!
We have a 2009 Z1 1hr, full waranty 45000.00!

[yllw20]

Dom,

Is that the green/white/black boat on your website?
It is a sharp looking boat.

I like the lines of the z1

My question is did you think you had enough room in your last 20 footer? you may want to consider the bigger boat. Also reports on here are that the z1 is a better out of the box surf boat.

ride in them both on the lake and make your choice from there.
The Z1 is a front runner in my next purchase, but that is just my opinion and fits my needs best.

[DieselPWR]

I have a 08 Z1, love it. Its 1 ft longer then the 20V. Puts out a rediculous wave if you weight it right.

[TL7]

Guys thanks for all the replies. I'm in Houston, and one of the boats is local and the Z1 is in Austin. I'm not opposed to traveling for the right deal.

From what I'm reading I can't go wrong with either boat. Looks like I will need to schedule some test drives and go from there.

These boats do not come with ballast, correct? Neither state that they have ballast.

[wallacmc]

I'm guessing that if they don't list it, it doesn't have it. But, who knows? The definitely caqn accomidate it; that's for sure.

[Billy Doyle]

If you don't like Dom's there is a really nice (repo?)black and white z1 available at the factory. Call your local dealer for price.

[chpthril]

Guys thanks for all the replies. I'm in Houston, and one of the boats is local and the Z1 is in Austin. I'm not opposed to traveling for the right deal.

From what I'm reading I can't go wrong with either boat. Looks like I will need to schedule some test drives and go from there.

These boats do not come with ballast, correct? Neither state that they have ballast.

Tige offers ballast as an option, so it would be up to the dealer, or customer ordering one, to include it on the build sheet. So, they may or may not have it. If not, sacs can be purchased and filled manually or a complete plumbed-in system can be a DIY project.

[TL7]

One more question - anyone know the exact height of the 08 Z1 with tower folded down? I need the highest point - looks like my garage opening is right at 83.5". Really trying to avoid storage at all costs.

[dingleberry]

One more question - anyone know the exact height of the 08 Z1 with tower folded down? I need the highest point - looks like my garage opening is right at 83.5". Really trying to avoid storage at all costs.
Be careful - the overall height could vary slightly based upon the make of the trailer.

It can also be modified slightly. I know that MoneyPity had his trailer modified to lower the height of the bunks some.

[Dave S]

I just bought an 09 Z1 in October from Texas Tige north of Houston. Check those guys out if you have not yet. texastige.com They are great, best guys I have dealt with in buying our boat and I shopped for close to 2 years. We live in the southwest side of the city.

20V vs Z1 - I looked at both real hard. I chose the Z1 because it had more room for my crew of 5-8 people. The bow of the 20V seemed way to small for me. I was comparing an 06 or 07 20 V to the Z1 that I purchased. If you have a small crew (5 or less) and want to save a few bucks get the 20V. I love my new Z1 but only had it in the water a few times. I got the Alpha Z tower so I can't help you with height. I keep mine in storage on the east side of town. kvon - Kevin has a Z1 with the tower you speak of and may be able to help wit height, I believe he keeps his boat in his garage.

[tigeblue]

Looks... I would go with the Z1, I have a 20V and I thought it was too small to began with. I have a RZ2 and love it. I liked the wake on the 20V but never saw a wake on a Z1 yet. Maybe someone can post some pics.

IMO its all about the wake in the end. The boat can look sick but if you don't like the wake then your really not going to be 100% happy no matter the cost.

[MoneyPity]

One more question - anyone know the exact height of the 08 Z1 with tower folded down? I need the highest point - looks like my garage opening is right at 83.5". Really trying to avoid storage at all costs.

Be careful - the overall height could vary slightly based upon the make of the trailer.

It can also be modified slightly. I know that MoneyPity had his trailer modified to lower the height of the bunks some.

dingleberry is correct. I had to lower my boat three inches to fit in a standard garage door opening which is in the 83.5" to 83.75" in my area. I did not even think about the height until they finally got my boat on the first custom I needed done and that was to get the overall length from TAPS plate to the longest point on bow to 20'5". When we looked at it on that trailer I looked at the front pivot of the e-series tower and realized I had a second issue. The high point of the pivot was over 2 inches higher than my opening. The trailer company had to take off the boat and lower all the bunks by 3 inches. good news is that it worked with about 3/4" to 1 inch of clearance depending how I was backing up my sloped driveway and angling the boat into the middle slot of my 3 car garage.

In 2008 I screwed up and ran my Jeep and boat under a car port to avoid getting hit by a driver coming out of a Nursing home lot.I instinctively went to the carport drive to avoid getting hit in the nose or side of my Jeep. My e-series tower was scrap at that point so I called state farm got them a quote to replace tower and I had put on a Sampson Razor not thinking about clearance. After it was installed and I retrieved the boat I was not sure what I was going to do if it did not clear. It has about 1/2" to 3/4" clearance when I lowered the Samson Razor tower. I have to position my slalom ski;) (old school) rack into the correct position and all works out. I have to figure out a way to warn me if it is not going to clear because I go out for an afternoon into Southern,WI and I have no one to watch that clearance. Some sort of trip alarm is what I will do. Going back to the original part of the thread drive both of them. The Z1 is bigger and will seat at least 1-2 more peeps than the 20V. The Z1 is not an option I can fit in garage and I cannot and will not store outside when it is not being used. Drive them both and go from there. Good luck and welcome to the site.

[goboardgo]

There is not even a question which one to buy if you are concerned with the wake. The 20V does not even come close to the wake on the Z1.

[ajholt7]

I don't surf but, the wakeboard wake behind my 20v is pretty good IMO.

[Kvon]

Well, I just ran out to my garage to measure the lowest point of my garage. The lowest point is 81.75 and my 08 Z1 fits in my garage just fine. The only problem I do have is it takes either two people to do it or you will have to cut a 2x6 to prop the tower so it sits flat. Basically, when you lower the tower the section of the tower that folds down ends up higher then what I can fit into my garage. My wife used to sit in the boat when I backed it up and lifted the tower up to make sure we wouldn't hit. Now all I do is prop up the tower with the 2x6 and it is all good! It is by a hair, but I don't have to pay for storage!!! :ro:

I know that sounds like a pain and I hope you can picture what I am talking about, but it is so worth it.

Depending on the year you are looking at, I am pretty sure the 20v has the same tower so you may be looking at the same issue no matter which one you go with.

I don't have ballast in my boat yet and the wake is sweet. I am getting some sacs in a week or so to make it mo betta.

Hope this helps.

Where in H-town are ya from?

Like Dave said, check out Texas Tige. Those guys rock.

[MoneyPity]

I am happy with the 20V. We don't board so wake height is not the issue and from what the slalom skiers have said the wake at the normal 15 off is better than the MC we have skied behind since 1999. The Z1 is a nice boat but the 20V meets my needs and for less money at the time I was buying. Both boats have their pro's and cons and the 100" beam helps the Z1 which will give the bow a larger feeling. We rarely have had more than 6 people on board when out skiing. The non skiers typically found it nice to relax at the doc and relax over the years:)