24VE vs. Rz4

[18c racing]

ok everyone i need a little help. Assuming both boats are fully loaded with all the options and same engines pref the 6.0 which boat is more user friendly for surfing, wakeboarding,ect? I agree the RZ is one badass boat, but also pricey as well. I like the 24 as well and have spent some time on it riding,surfn,boardn,and driving no problem, like the boat,I have not driven the RZ4 and really to be honest never even rode behind one. But hears the deal im going to buy a 2010 boat but dont know which one. Any suggestions would be greatly appriciated thanks.:rolleyes:

[kko]

IMPO its all about the looks. If you like the pickle fork I think you would lean towards the RZ. If you dont like the pickle fork you go with the VE. Both boats dirve and perform well. As always drive both and go with the one that fits you best.Either way your going to be getting a great boat, its a win win for sure.

[River Runner]

Do you have a big family? And if so do they like to ride in the bow area?

The RZ bow is huge. Most wives and kids gravitate to this area.

Even with 2 adults and 4 kids(ranging from 12 to 5 years old) I have never taken water over the bow. Due to the pickle-fork design it actually pushes water away and lifts the bow up when hitting a large wave rather than getting everyone soaked with the conventional design.

It used to be fun to soak eveyone once and awhile. I havent been able to do it with my RZ4. And I have tried many times.

Other than that the boats are very similar.

[da.bell]

The 24' boats that Tige has are both monsters and perform well. However, IMO, you are currently in a 21' boat. Why not the RZ2 or 22Ve? The RZ2 fits 15 people while the 22Ve fits 14 peeps. Ragboy can attest that the RZ2 is seems roomy enough for his family (if I can make that assumption based on information that he has posted :confused:). Rag's definitely has the largest family on this forum at this time that I am aware of.

Again, not trying to sway you but my 24Ve was a beast in the water and did exactly what I wanted. Since downsizing to the RZ2, I will never buy another 24' boat. It's just too big for my family and the handling of the 22'ers are better than the 24's. :02:

[RockRig]

I have a 24ve with the 343, it seems to have plenty of power. I have only put about 10 hours on it (bought in early September), but we think the boat is great. I had a used Mastercraft 230 before this boat, and it took water over the bow, so when we traded, we tried to get the 24ve in situations where it would be likely to take water, it hasn't yet.

I like the traditional design better that the pickle fork, mostly because of looks, but also I looked at docking the two different boats, and thought that the 24ve would be easier to manuever.

We saw a RZ4 at the lake with a navigation light broken on the starboard side, I assume it was because of movement against a dock or bumper(?), I didn't ask the owner so it may not have been that.

I think that you really can't go wrong with either, Tige makes a great boat!

[jbort]

Are u gonna keep the boat in the garage? If so, will 24 footer fit? Just a thought. We own 07 22Ve and love it - burns 5-6 gals/hr vs my prior boat Formula 28 footer w twin Bravo Threes that munched 15 gals/hr. 22Ve drives like a sports car.

[3sportboat]

We have one RZ2 on our lake . I was surprised how well it handled rough water( we get lots of wind)
that thing was rock solid , no bow rise or porpoising what so ever.

[RID22]

We had a 24VE and now we have an RZ4. The 24VE dunked all the time, it was fairly annoying. You can dunk an RZ4, but it takes a serious lack of awareness and a bow full of people. We keep the meat heads out of the front and the interior stays dry. I have no idea if they are priced the same, but if the RZ4 was only a 5-10k more than a VE - it's worth it. Resale is a bit more tricky, less buyers want a 24 ft boat for many reasons - storage, price, towing...

From a maneuverability stand point, a 22 and 24 don't feel that different on the water or near the dock. This is not a dig at anyone who owns a less than 24ft boat, but you'll almost never hear a 24ft "owner" say the boat is more difficult to drive than a shorter boat. It's usually boat owners that have smaller than a 24. If Tige made a bigger boat I personally would buy it. The 24 feels a heck of a lot more stable than a 22, especially in rough water. We had a 22V, so I'm aware of the difference.

I hope that helps -

At the end of the day, any Tige is great boat!

[RockRig]

The 24ve dunked all the time? You must ride some rough water!

[RID22]

It was a combination of rough water and a dangerous lake. We pretty much just surf, so when you turn the boat around to the weighted side with the cruise control still on it's tough to pop the noise over the wake. Our lake is small and extremely crowded, you have to flip around quickly. My wife got better at turning off the cruise so she could pop the noise, but it didn't help if you had 2 or more adults in the bow.

I never drive the boat, my wife drives so I can manage the people behind the boat and hang out... It's also better on our marriage if she's not on my case about how I drive. I learned that with our first boat.

[MTtigekid]

hey 18.. i know a guy that knows a guy that has a 24ve thats red and white and needs a sibling.. GET THE VE YOU KNOW THATS WHAT YOU WANT!!!!!!!!!!! haha :p :p :D

[RockRig]

Great logic with the driver situation!

What year was your 24Ve?

I am on a big lake, so we have run on mostly calm water in the morning and evening. We go through rollers during the day to get to places to hang out at. The rollers in the main channel can get really big, and we have run those without any problems, but I really don't turn tight into my own wake much.

[RID22]

I think it was a 2007, we got one of the first 24ve's in September of 2006. The VE was great in rough water, it was only a problem turning around quickly. I don't understand why the bow has to be so close to the water on 22+ ski boats, they are for wake-boarding, surfing and rough water.

[MTtigekid]

I think it was a 2007, we got one of the first 24ve's in September of 2006. The VE was great in rough water, it was only a problem turning around quickly. I don't understand why the bow has to be so close to the water on 22+ ski boats, they are for wake-boarding, surfing and rough water.

ive found that if you need to turn around quickly that as you come up on your own wake if you give it a little gas you can get the nose of the boat up high enough to pop over the wake.. the biggest thing is the angle at which you hit your own wake.. if you hit it perpendicular then your should never put water over the front(or at least not enough to matter)

[RockRig]

I have not had water over the bow with the Tige yet, but I had a Mastercraft that we took water with alot, and that was why I traded.

Why do the wakeboats take water over the bow? You would think that they would engineer this out of the design if possible.

I am hoping that Tige engineered the 2009 to be more dry. Time will tell!

[RID22]

I've heard that about Mastercrafts, especially < 24ft.

MTtigekid, if the cruise is on the boat won't punch. But if you turn it off you're correct on the approach.

[chpthril]

I have not had water over the bow with the Tige yet, but I had a Mastercraft that we took water with alot, and that was why I traded.

Why do the wakeboats take water over the bow? You would think that they would engineer this out of the design if possible.

I am hoping that Tige engineered the 2009 to be more dry. Time will tell!

Boats are engineered this way, they are called off-shore center consoles and they are used for fishing in the ocean :D The 09 hulls are the same, just an FYI

IMO, and no offence to anyone, but taking water over the bow in 99% of the cases is driver induced and can be avoided. RID22 is the only one i've ever heard that this happens to repeatedly. Most people that are new to this type of boat, as I was, take water over the bow a few times the first season them learn to avoid it under most circumstances.

When your rider falls, pull back to idle, let your wake pass, turn and return to your rider. Power turning back to your rider with the cruise still set will most certainly t the bow dunked........it's not the boat :02:

You cant lose with either the RZ4 or 2Ve, go with the one that meets your needs.

[RID22]

RID22 is the only one I've ever heard that this happens to repeatedly.

Totally valid, we're the exception but not solely due to driving. We dunk our boat because we choose to surf during the busiest hours on our tiny reservoir. You have to turn around quickly and our RZ4 is always weighted and packed with people, so it's hard to quickly turn back into a GIANT wall of water without piercing it. If the lake isn't busy we actually come off throttle and let the wake pass then flip around, it's just as fast.

Keep in mind my wife drives the wake-board boat, I don't. She can be a boozer and plays our stereo at ridiculous levels! If I'm driving the wake-board boat dunking isn't an issue.

Just in case my driving ability was in question (if it's not in question don't read the rest of this response, my wife has made me too sensitive..;)) My Tige has low hours because I spend most of my time boating on Lake Havasu and Mead driving/co-piloting my brothers DCB cat over 140 miles in poker runs next to other cats going the same speed... It's an experience like no other.

Here's a link to my brothers DCB that I get to drive frequently: (Just watch the first 3 minutes, you can see Dave running the boat with my brother) http://www.performanceboats.com/#id=gallery&m=image&a=8228,85

[RockRig]

Boats are engineered this way, they are called off-shore center consoles and they are used for fishing in the ocean :D The 09 hulls are the same, just an FYI

IMO, and no offence to anyone, but taking water over the bow in 99% of the cases is driver induced and can be avoided. RID22 is the only one i've ever heard that this happens to repeatedly. Most people that are new to this type of boat, as I was, take water over the bow a few times the first season them learn to avoid it under most circumstances.

When your rider falls, pull back to idle, let your wake pass, turn and return to your rider. Power turning back to your rider with the cruise still set will most certainly t the bow dunked........it's not the boat :02:

You cant lose with either the RZ4 or 2Ve, go with the one that meets your needs.
So, I must be learning to drive the boat better!

I don't do the powerturn thing, that can get the cove choppy, small turn to port, power down as your turn to starboard and idle to the down rider.

I haven't had a problem with the Tige with water over the bow yet.

The MC was alot harder to avoid taking water, especially at low speeds in heavy chop, and it was a 2000, maybe the newer boats have tweaks to make them less likely to take water?

[wakeatx]

Somebody'll have to hook me up with the way to post the actual video to the forum, but here's a clip about Powerturns I happen to agree with:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzvOsvrhR4M

Oh, but let me add that I totally understand if the Lake's crowded you gotta do whatever it takes to keep your rider safe.

[Joeprunc]

Somebody'll have to hook me up with the way to post the actual video to the forum, but here's a clip about Powerturns I happen to agree with:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzvOsvrhR4M

Oh, but let me add that I totally understand if the Lake's crowded you gotta do whatever it takes to keep your rider safe.

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Also as mentioned earlier the complaint of the bow being so close to the water....Think of how you get a bigger wake on your boat? You weight your boat down. The more water you push with your hull, the larger the wake. So to help push more water you weight your boat down (&/or use the TAPS) making your hull sit deeper creating a better surf/wakeboard wake. Now that your boat is sitting deeper, your bow is closer to the water....

[Dave S]

We took water over the bow in our new 09 Z1 the second time out, it was from a wave from an RZ2 wakesurfing. If I was more prepared, it wouldn't have happened.

[RID22]

So, I must be learning to drive the boat better!

I don't do the powerturn thing, that can get the cove choppy, small turn to port, power down as your turn to starboard and idle to the down rider.

I haven't had a problem with the Tige with water over the bow yet.

The MC was alot harder to avoid taking water, especially at low speeds in heavy chop, and it was a 2000, maybe the newer boats have tweaks to make them less likely to take water?


I've never tried that, it's like preloading a suspension before a turn. That should make the boat turn around in a tight flat circle. Thanks for the tip - and thanks mastercraft for making people learn how to compensate for your design inefficiencies.

I love this website, you can boat all your life and learn something new everytime you read a thread.

[18c racing]

ha ha mttigekid got me on that, thanks for all the input everyone keep it coming very appriciated,thinking RZ2 or RZ4 for shure all depends on the best deal i guess.:02:

[chpthril]

I've never tried that, it's like preloading a suspension before a turn. That should make the boat turn around in a tight flat circle. Thanks for the tip - and thanks mastercraft for making people learn how to compensate for your design inefficiencies.

I love this website, you can boat all your life and learn something new everytime you read a thread.

LOL, I just say you signature, I was wondering if it was you K n' F, when did you make the name change? :ro:

[RID22]

LOL, I just say you signature, I was wondering if it was you K n' F, when did you make the name change? :ro:

Sorry everyone this is off topic::ot:
It's a family website and even though K'n F is actually from a David Spaid family movie (Dickie Roberts), most people don't know the reference for good reason - it was a fairly dumb movie. I just happen to watch that movie before I made my TO username years ago. K'n F could be offensive out of context and this is an extension of the Tige brand. Everyone should be respectful of the company Charlie has built and the families that buy their boats. See, I'm all grown up now... So far you're the only one who caught on to my Alias. I should probably abbreviate my signature or I would be contradicting the reason I changed my username.

Back on Topic: ;)
I'm not sure how power turns got associated with my 24ve dunking issue. You have to be moving faster than surf speeds to PT. With the cruise on it's impossible to PT when you're surfing. For the record, the RZ4 doesn't pierce the wake like a 24ve.:02:

[chpthril]

Sorry everyone this is off topic::ot:
It's a family website and even though K'n F is actually from a David Spaid family movie (Dickie Roberts), most people don't know the reference for good reason - it was a fairly dumb movie. I just happen to watch that movie before I made my TO username years ago. K'n F could be offensive out of context and this is an extension of the Tige brand. Everyone should be respectful of the company Charlie has built and the families that buy their boats. See, I'm all grown up now... So far you're the only one who caught on to my Alias. I should probably abbreviate my signature or I would be contradicting the reason I changed my username.

Back on Topic: ;)
I'm not sure how power turns got associated with my 24ve dunking issue. You have to be moving faster than surf speeds to PT. With the cruise on it's impossible to PT when you're surfing. For the record, the RZ4 doesn't pierce the wake like a 24ve.:02:

It was the Avatar! :D

[RID22]

It was the Avatar! :D

Oh ya! My Avatar is easy on the eyes, eventhough it's a drawing. I couldn't change it...

[murphini]

We have a 07 24ve, properly driven, hard to dunk, but son once turned into the surf wake and got water over bow. Good lesson.

You can't go wrong with either. We love our 24ve. You'll love all the room on either when your kids bring all their friends. The week of my son's High School graduation we had 13 18 year old boys and my brother and I wakeboarding w/stereo blaring. It was honestly the best days ever on a boat (or certianly top 3). When you need it, the extra room is worth the extra money-hassle etc.

[da.bell]

ha ha mttigekid got me on that, thanks for all the input everyone keep it coming very appriciated,thinking RZ2 or RZ4 for shure all depends on the best deal i guess.:02:

The RZ2 holds 2 less people than the RZ4. You will pay about $8k more for 2 people? :D

Have you decided yet? :ro:

[majestic]

There is an New 08 RZ4 and 24ve in the Seattle craigslist.

Da Bell I think they will look familiar to you it looks like all of Capital Watersports boats made it up here.

[TigeTrojan]

Those RZs are beautiful boats. My boat took water over the bow a couple of times the first summer I had it. Now it only seems to happen when I'm behind the boat.

[Carter13]

There still continues to be some great prices on new and used repoes although it is slowing down just a bit here on the West Coast.

[majestic]

There still continues to be some great prices on new and used repoes although it is slowing down just a bit here on the West Coast.

I would agree with that! Our Tige dealer has no 08's and only 1 or 2 09's.

[da.bell]

There is an New 08 RZ4 and 24ve in the Seattle craigslist.

Da Bell I think they will look familiar to you it looks like all of Capital Watersports boats made it up here.

Why yes they do. Took a few pictures of them while they were still at Capital. The only problem now is that we don't have a local Tige dealer :(

HOLY CRAP BATMAN!!!! The RZ4 was $12k to $13k cheaper in Sacramento :eek: :eek:

[majestic]

Why yes they do. Took a few pictures of them while they were still at Capital. The only problem now is that we don't have a local Tige dealer :(

HOLY CRAP BATMAN!!!! The RZ4 was $12k to $13k cheaper in Sacramento :eek: :eek:

Probably why the haven't sold it yet.

[somebodyelse5]

I have not had water over the bow with the Tige yet, but I had a Mastercraft that we took water with alot, and that was why I traded.

Why do the wakeboats take water over the bow? You would think that they would engineer this out of the design if possible.

I am hoping that Tige engineered the 2009 to be more dry. Time will tell!

Has to be shaped this way. Look at your boat from the side, the nose is angled down to allow you to see over it before you get on plane.

[fog_ducker]

I went from a conventional 21' to the RZ2. I'm blown away every time I get on it with the room as well as the performance. Mine has the 343. Before pulling the trigger on one of the 24' boats, I agree you should definately check out the 22' boats. I took out a buddy who is familiar with the mastercraft boats (paticularly the x-star) and was also blown away with the performance of the RZ2.

[somebodyelse5]

Does anyone know the reasoning behind the pickle fork? Theres a big debate going on over on WW and none of them really know. I thought I did, but I guess i was wrong.

[dingleberry]

Does anyone know the reasoning behind the pickle fork? Theres a big debate going on over on WW and none of them really know. I thought I did, but I guess i was wrong.
Geez - I thought it was just because Tige wanted to look like MC. :p

Seriously, my understanding (which may be wrong) of the reason for it on towboats was basically just to allow more bow seating and space, yet make it fit in the same hull length as a shorter boat.

I think it served a different, performance-based reason when Sanger was putting them out decades ago. For those boats, I think it was to make a tunnel hull or catamaran style for speed and racing. But as it pertains to wakeboats, I'm pretty sure it was just to get a bigger bow seating area on the same length.

[wallacmc]

Geez - I thought it was just because Tige wanted to look like MC. :p

Seriously, my understanding (which may be wrong) of the reason for it on towboats was basically just to allow more bow seating and space, yet make it fit in the same hull length as a shorter boat.

I think it served a different, performance-based reason when Sanger was putting them out decades ago. For those boats, I think it was to make a tunnel hull or catamaran style for speed and racing. But as it pertains to wakeboats, I'm pretty sure it was just to get a bigger bow seating area on the same length.

X2 - And, if you lok at the seating arangment in the bow, it allows for two chase lounge type seats where my wife and mother-in-law love to sit with their backs against the helm and port side equilvalent and their legs down the seat. It is much more comfortable to do this in a picklefork bow, and Tige desined the seats to accomodate for it. These matters are huge for the ladies.

[Guapo]

Geez - I thought it was just because Tige wanted to look like MC. :p

Seriously, my understanding (which may be wrong) of the reason for it on towboats was basically just to allow more bow seating and space, yet make it fit in the same hull length as a shorter boat.

I think it served a different, performance-based reason when Sanger was putting them out decades ago. For those boats, I think it was to make a tunnel hull or catamaran style for speed and racing. But as it pertains to wakeboats, I'm pretty sure it was just to get a bigger bow seating area on the same length.

X2 - And, if you lok at the seating arangment in the bow, it allows for two chase lounge type seats where my wife and mother-in-law love to sit with their backs against the helm and port side equilvalent and their legs down the seat. It is much more comfortable to do this in a picklefork bow, and Tige desined the seats to accomodate for it. These matters are huge for the ladies.

What they said...:cool: