ZR2 vs 210 Air Nautique

[Spacecoast Wake]

I'd appreciate anyone's opinion who has experience with both. Both are 2009 models at demo pricing and loaded. I've been able to demo the 210, but not the ZR2 due to it being out of state. I'd be happy with either, but would like to hear from Tige owners - thanks.

[majestic]

What are the prices between the two? They are night and day different in my opinion. For me there are things about both boats that I like and dislike, When I was looking at boats the price of the Nautiques was way out of range for me.

Where are you located?

[chpthril]

These 2 boats are entirely different in just about every aspect - ride (Tige +1), storage (Tige +1), seating space (Tige +1) comfort (Tige +1), Surf wake (not everyone cares, but Tige +1), Wakeboard wake (this is all about opinion, but if you are hard core, CC +1).

What options do they have, especially what tower on the CC? If it has the old FTC tower, then it comes with no board racks. The "Flight Clip" racks are an up-charge and swivels are yet another. The Tige "E" series comes std with swivel racks, and the AlphaZ comes with fixed and swivel racks and a surf fork are available.

[dom w. forte]

First I usually like to compare apples to apples , 210 is smaller then the RZ2 , as for performance the tige will out perform any CC, and both have the same engines but tige is heavyer, fuel economy , tiges no.1# check boat test .com, vesitilty tige no.1#, drivabilty and ride, hands down CC doesnt even come close , warranty , both good slightly more coverage with CC, durabilty, both good , resale equivalent with an edge to tige in my area, Im close to the CC factory and they dump them at rediculess low prices, which hurts resale values.

[Spacecoast Wake]

What are the prices between the two? They are night and day different in my opinion. For me there are things about both boats that I like and dislike, When I was looking at boats the price of the Nautiques was way out of range for me.

Where are you located?
About 8K. I'm in Central Florida.

[Spacecoast Wake]

What options do they have, especially what tower on the CC? If it has the old FTC tower, then it comes with no board racks. The "Flight Clip" racks are an up-charge and swivels are yet another. The Tige "E" series comes std with swivel racks, and the AlphaZ comes with fixed and swivel racks and a surf fork are available.

CC- TE Package,FTC3, Z5 rack and racks. Options seems to be a wash. We are beginners and will also spend time tubing since there are younger children in the family.

[da.bell]

About 8K. I'm in Central Florida.

Space, you truly need to visit http://www.fortesonline.com/ in Tampa, FL. Dom above works there and they are hands down, probably the best Tige dealer in the nation. :02:

I wanted to comment last night but was a little overwhelmed with gaining knowledge of the 210. Wow, that is one nice looking boat but I haven't been in one. I did see the Byerly Edition at the boat show but had way too much bling bling in my opinion. I didn't even ask about the price since I am sure that was higher than I wanted to pay.

The RZ2 does hand great. My previous Tige was the 24Ve and the RZ2 hands like a dream compared to that beast. However, the 24Ve was a very, very nice boat. The RZ2 was and has performed great for my family. Just make sure you can get some ballast into the RZ2 and that wake will grow quickly and be very, very firm. :02:

[chpthril]

CC- TE Package,FTC3, Z5 rack and racks. Options seems to be a wash. We are beginners and will also spend time tubing since there are younger children in the family.

You REALLY need to go and just sit in a Tige and you will see what I mean about comfort. For a family friendly boat with all the potential of a comp towboat, the Tige beats them all hands down. When you sat in the CC 210, did you notice how your knees where above your hips? Did you notice how low on your back the seat backs hit? When you spend a day on the lake in this boat, you will see what I mean. In a Tige, the cabin depth is much greater. When sitting, your knees are at a more natural position, almost perpendicular to your hips. Due to this depth, the seat backs hit almost to the shoulder.

Bottom line, find a Tige some where to ride. The 22Ve will be almost identical to the RZ2, but almost any Tige will show you the difference between the CC 210 and the RZ2. And just to qualify my statements, this is not the "owners-goggles" talking, I worked last year at a Tige and CC dealer, so I've spent time in, behind, under, and even places where the sun dont shine in most all of the towboats.

[helmut]

Ok first off no matter what go visit Dom at Forte's. He will be up front and honest. Second I would agree with what everyone has said so far about pro's and cons of the boat. If your hard core nothing but wakeboard I would edge the 210 I have a buddy that bought one at the dumping price the Dom mentioned. However if your looking for a more well rounded boat with a ton more space better ride then the RZ or 22Ve. I would assume with TAPS you could get the wake fairly close to what the 210 would give you with added ballast not just TAPS. The other thing I would say is think more about you and your situation. Is this a family boat, what type of rider (beg, int, advanced). If like me your never going to be more than an int rider and its a family boat thats going to be teaching people to ride and pull tubes go Tige all day long. I have 2002 MC X Star. While it has a legendary wake its not as family friendly as the RZ or 22Ve and no swivel seat for the driver which SUCKS? I am not sure if Dom has an 09 RZ2 I do know he has an 09 22Ve. I just saw it because I have him service my boat even thought its 15 mins further than my MC dealer. Good luck.

[da.bell]

Ok first off no matter what go visit Dom at Forte's. He will be up front and honest. Second I would agree with what everyone has said so far about pro's and cons of the boat. If your hard core nothing but wakeboard I would edge the 210 I have a buddy that bought one at the dumping price the Dom mentioned. However if your looking for a more well rounded boat with a ton more space better ride then the RZ or 22Ve. I would assume with TAPS you could get the wake fairly close to what the 210 would give you with added ballast not just TAPS. The other thing I would say is think more about you and your situation. Is this a family boat, what type of rider (beg, int, advanced). If like me your never going to be more than an int rider and its a family boat thats going to be teaching people to ride and pull tubes go Tige all day long. I have 2002 MC X Star. While it has a legendary wake its not as family friendly as the RZ or 22Ve and no swivel seat for the driver which SUCKS? I am not sure if Dom has an 09 RZ2 I do know he has an 09 22Ve. I just saw it because I have him service my boat even thought its 15 mins further than my MC dealer. Good luck.


He does have a 2010 RZ2 :D

[eks]

I have a friend that bought a CC and the biggest difference I see is the finish quality on the CC. I give Tige a 5 out of 10 on the finish quality, and I would give CC a 9 or even a 10 on the same category. The CC quality on parts and specially the finished assembly of the boat, beats Tige hands down.

Now, as far as performance on the water, storage, size, and design, I think Tige is definably better. :02:

[Spacecoast Wake]

Thanks everyone, for the all the information and feeback. I'm trying to find the time this week for quick trip to Tampa.

[eks]

By the way, it is RZ2 and not ZR2.

Good luck on you choice!

[helmut]

He does have a 2010 RZ2 :D

He gave me the grand tour of the 2010 RZ2 and Tige hit it out of the park with this boat. 2000lbs of ballast so nice hoping to get a pull in the next couple weeks.

[helmut]

Spacecoast

Go to the Tampa Boat Show. Huston Motors will be there with I am assuming a 210 and Dom will be there with the new 2010 RZ and probably a 24Ve. That way you can see both boats right after each other. Of course tuff for a demo. I do know Dom loves to take people out. Good luck.

[kko]

Spacecoast my name is Kevin I am the service manager @ Fortes Inboard Connection.We would love for you to come over for the boat show this weekend. We will have the 2010 RZ2 there. We also have a 09 22&24VE in stock that will not be at show but we will be glad to make time for you to see them at the shop if you would like.If you have any questions please feel free to give us a call @888-517-3178.

[Guapo]

I may be hitting this a little late, but I have a 2009 RZ2. I am not new to boating, but I am new to wake boarding and surfing. I have four small kids (ages 5-12). We tube, swim, board and surf from this boat. We looked at the MC X35, the CC23, the Malibu 23LSV and the Tige. I saw the Tige last and was sold once I sat in it...and compared the price. I saved anywhere from 7k to 15k. I have no regrets. It's great for as a family boat. Most weekends my brother-in-law and his wife and two kids (4 adn 2) are on the boat with us for a total of 10. we have tons of room and never get concerned about a youngster flipping over the side. It's a great all around boat.:ro::ro:

[Nobody]

Space, you truly need to visit http://www.fortesonline.com/ in Tampa, FL. Dom above works there and they are hands down, probably the best Tige dealer in the nation. :02:

I wanted to comment last night but was a little overwhelmed with gaining knowledge of the 210. Wow, that is one nice looking boat but I haven't been in one. I did see the Byerly Edition at the boat show but had way too much bling bling in my opinion. I didn't even ask about the price since I am sure that was higher than I wanted to pay.

The RZ2 does hand great. My previous Tige was the 24Ve and the RZ2 hands like a dream compared to that beast. However, the 24Ve was a very, very nice boat. The RZ2 was and has performed great for my family. Just make sure you can get some ballast into the RZ2 and that wake will grow quickly and be very, very firm. :02:


Forte Inboard is not in Tampa, they're in the next county over closer to St Petersburg (i.e Largo)

[Nobody]

Spacecoast my name is Kevin I am the service manager @ Fortes Inboard Connection.We would love for you to come over for the boat show this weekend. We will have the 2010 RZ2 there. We also have a 09 22&24VE in stock that will not be at show but we will be glad to make time for you to see them at the shop if you would like.If you have any questions please feel free to give us a call @888-517-3178.

Man! Is that one of the nicest RZ boat's I've ever seen! It makes my RZ4 look dull now.

[Fast1911]

Man! Is that one of the nicest RZ boat's I've ever seen! It makes my RZ4 look dull now.

your RZ4 is dull

[Nobody]

your RZ4 is dull

Your entitled to your opinion.......BUT, It sure is LOUD!

[River Runner]

Your entitled to your opinion.......BUT, It sure is LOUD!

Apparently its not LOUD enough to keep bull sharks from gnawing on your transom.:D

[dom w. forte]

I'd appreciate anyone's opinion who has experience with both. Both are 2009 models at demo pricing and loaded. I've been able to demo the 210, but not the ZR2 due to it being out of state. I'd be happy with either, but would like to hear from Tige owners - thanks.

Would like to invite you over for a demo of our 2010 RZ2 we will have it here until weds, and wont have another one in until oct. but it will be an RZ4, if I can be of any service please call me at 1 888 517 3178, ask for Dom.

[dom w. forte]

Would like to invite you over for a demo of our 2010 RZ2 we will have it here until weds, and wont have another one in until oct. but it will be an RZ4, if I can be of any service please call me at 1 888 517 3178, ask for Dom.

I forgot to mention I have a 2009 22ve in stock well equiped which will perform the same as the RZ2 , if you cant make it before weds.

[Nobody]

Would like to invite you over for a demo of our 2010 RZ2 we will have it here until weds, and wont have another one in until oct. but it will be an RZ4, if I can be of any service please call me at 1 888 517 3178, ask for Dom.

Dom,

Did you sell it to the guy on the east coast?

[Guma]

Dom,

Did you sell it to the guy on the east coast?

No, its Mark's boat and he is getting ready to take it around to dealers and prospective dealers.

[canuck]

I have a friend that bought a CC and the biggest difference I see is the finish quality on the CC. I give Tige a 5 out of 10 on the finish quality, and I would give CC a 9 or even a 10 on the same category. The CC quality on parts and specially the finished assembly of the boat, beats Tige hands down.

Now, as far as performance on the water, storage, size, and design, I think Tige is definably better. :02:

Absolutely agree with this comment.

For us it was down to the Tige 22i vs. the CC 216.

No question that the fit and finish of the Nautique was head and shoulders above the Tige.

Was at the dealer this summer for a quick prop change and looked carefully at the RZ2 in the showroom and I would say that the Nautique's fit and finish is still head and shoulders above the Tige.

You do pay for what you get and we chose the Tige for a number of reasons including price ($5K less than the CC), size (especially the width), freeboard, handling, TAPS and storage. But it definitely was not for the fit and finish.

[dom w. forte]

Absolutely agree with this comment.

For us it was down to the Tige 22i vs. the CC 216.

No question that the fit and finish of the Nautique was head and shoulders above the Tige.

Was at the dealer this summer for a quick prop change and looked carefully at the RZ2 in the showroom and I would say that the Nautique's fit and finish is still head and shoulders above the Tige.

You do pay for what you get and we chose the Tige for a number of reasons including price ($5K less than the CC), size (especially the width), freeboard, handling, TAPS and storage. But it definitely was not for the fit and finish.
You might think the fit and finish looks better, but the CC interior ( and I owned one), nor has my customers, doesnt hold up as good as my tige has.

[canuck]

You might think the fit and finish looks better, but the CC interior ( and I owned one), nor has my customers, doesnt hold up as good as my tige has.

That's good to know as I have never owned a CC so I can't personally compare.

I just notice a lot of the little things that make the CC appear more upscale. For example - gas struts to hold up the storage hatch vs. nothing in my Tige, better hardware especially the latches; snap out carpets etc.

The lack of snap out carpets was really disappointing to me as we traded in a boat with that option when we bought the Tige.

As an accountant, I am also aware that you do get what you pay for and if Tige were to upgrade their components they would need to charge more. To me Tige was a good balance of performance, content and price.

Up here in the great white north our season is very short and I only get to put 30hrs on the boat each season so it was really hard to justify spending a lot on a boat.

[Timmy!]

The newer boats have the gas struts and the '10 models have snap-out carpet. Problems solved! :D

[chpthril]

That's good to know as I have never owned a CC so I can't personally compare.

I just notice a lot of the little things that make the CC appear more upscale. For example - gas struts to hold up the storage hatch vs. nothing in my Tige, better hardware especially the latches; snap out carpets etc.
What a difference a year model will make: In 06 Tige offered a SS hardware upgrade option. It included SS windshield supports, hatch lift supports, and SS latches on the rear lockers. Also offered a SS rubrail.

The lack of snap out carpets was really disappointing to me as we traded in a boat with that option when we bought the Tige.
I dont see how the lack of snap-out carpet makes a boat seem cheap. I've had both and prefer the permanent as it is less maintenance :02: but, you'll be happy to know that the 2010 v-drive (Ve and RZ, and Z1) models now have.

As an accountant, I am also aware that you do get what you pay for and if Tige were to upgrade their components they would need to charge more. To me Tige was a good balance of performance, content and price.

And they did, but people now say they are way over priced. Seems many want a Ferrari at a Hyundai price. We want Tige to compete in options and performance with CC, MCand Bu, but be priced along side of a Moomba :confused:

Up here in the great white north our season is very short and I only get to put 30hrs on the boat each season so it was really hard to justify spending a lot on a boat.

[ImaPigDog]

No disrepect to Forte's (I've heard nothing but good) or any other dealer, before buying either, I would strongly urge to test drive it as much as possible, pouring over every single feature and function to insure it is everything you should expect from a brand new boat. :02:

While there are many on this forum who have had great experiences, it would have been better for us to spend the extra money to purchase a better quality boat as it has cost us more in the long run from downtime and trips to & from the dealer. We have friends and neighbors who own Mailibu, Supra, Mastercraft & Nautique. None of them have had near the problems that we have and some are several years old.

We ordered a 2009 Tigé 22Vé and have had a lot of quality issues with it. I am not convinced that our boat was water tested as advertised. There is clearly a lack of quality control. We have had problems with several "fit & finish" problems (vinyl, finish, etc.); noisy Alpha Z tower; ballast leaking & auto-filling; windshield doesn't close; raw water pump bolts (same PCM engine as the SAN 210) breaking and serpentine belt getting chewed apart; SpeedSet (cruise control) disengaging and over-throttling and our hull lists to the starboard side. :mad: I could go on but you get the point.

The irony is that if it weren't for the quality issues, we would absolutely love our boat for many of the reasons that previous posts listed. Instead, we cannot wait to replace it. We have made repeated attempts to contact Tigé to no avail. Due to the lack of response and support from Tigé, we will be looking to replace it with a more trustworthy brand.

Good luck!
Tim

[da.bell]

Many of your problems Ima is the dealer from what is sounds like. The window should have been finished off by the dealer, the dealer also makes sure that it's also water tested and should take you and your family out to do these tests, and so on and so on. Blaming Tige for their attention to details can be done but they are not the blunt of the problem. It's the dealer IMO. :02:

[Timmy!]

But in retrospect of Ima's issues, most of our members haven't had those issues. You could go to the MC/BU/CC forums and find members that have the same complaints about their boats.

[turbonine]

No disrepect to Forte's (I've heard nothing but good) or any other dealer, before buying either, I would strongly urge to test drive it as much as possible, pouring over every single feature and function to insure it is everything you should expect from a brand new boat. :02:

While there are many on this forum who have had great experiences, it would have been better for us to spend the extra money to purchase a better quality boat as it has cost us more in the long run from downtime and trips to & from the dealer. We have friends and neighbors who own Mailibu, Supra, Mastercraft & Nautique. None of them have had near the problems that we have and some are several years old.

We ordered a 2009 Tigé 22Vé and have had a lot of quality issues with it. I am not convinced that our boat was water tested as advertised. There is clearly a lack of quality control. We have had problems with several "fit & finish" problems (vinyl, finish, etc.); noisy Alpha Z tower; ballast leaking & auto-filling; windshield doesn't close; raw water pump bolts (same PCM engine as the SAN 210) breaking and serpentine belt getting chewed apart; SpeedSet (cruise control) disengaging and over-throttling and our hull lists to the starboard side. :mad: I could go on but you get the point.

The irony is that if it weren't for the quality issues, we would absolutely love our boat for many of the reasons that previous posts listed. Instead, we cannot wait to replace it. We have made repeated attempts to contact Tigé to no avail. Due to the lack of response and support from Tigé, we will be looking to replace it with a more trustworthy brand.

Good luck!
Tim

Sounds like its time for a 23LSV solution! ;)

[ImaPigDog]

Spacecoast - Sorry - didn't mean to hijack the thread.

Many of your problems Ima is the dealer from what is sounds like. The window should have been finished off by the dealer, the dealer also makes sure that it's also water tested and should take you and your family out to do these tests, and so on and so on. Blaming Tige for their attention to details can be done but they are not the blunt of the problem. It's the dealer IMO. :02:

David,

Your point is valid for some of the items but I respectfully disagree as a whole. The point here is lack of quality from the factory when comparing Tige with different brands. All of our quality problems originated at the factory. That is the source of the problem. I know that your default response is to put the onus on the dealer. But, how does the manufacturer get a free pass when it is the builder of the boat? Yes, some of the problems could have been caught by the dealer and/or manufacturer with more review and/or testing. In fact, there were a couple of fit & finish problems we didn't even notice until we brought the boat home. Some of that is going to happen with boats. I get it. I have been around boats all my life. We have purchased new boats before this one. When ordering this boat, we even planned accordingly by ordering early in the year so that we could take delivery in April and try to get any issues worked out before Memorial Day weekend.

We had a water delivery scheduled with our dealer but a storm rolled in and we opted for a dry delivery instead so we wouldn't have to take another day off work. Some of the problems were compounding other problems and took time to even figure the root cause. For example, the rear starboard ballast tank was auto-filling due to the pump/intake being below the water line. This design flaw has been documented on this forum by several other 2009 owners. This is not something that may get noticed, much less figured out when going out with the dealer for an hour or two, especially while focusing on learning the systems of a new boat. It took us a couple times out to troubleshoot what was going on. At first, I thought I may have accidentally bumped the ballast button to fill since there is not much motion in the 3-way switch and the light is hard to see in daylight. It was only after we had the boat sitting still in the water that I could figure it out by draining the ballast, waiting a few minutes, draining it again, etc. After getting that resolved, we realized that the hull lists to the starboard side. We couldn't uncover this problem until we had the ballast problem resolved. These are not issues that will necessarily be flushed out with the introductory dealer ride.

The first time we took the boat out, the SpeedSet screen locked up and we couldn't get any response from the SpeedSet pad. We couldn't even reset it after shutting the engine off and removing the key (even sitting on the trailer in the parking lot by the ramp). Of course, by the time we get the boat to our dealer, the screen had reset. Our dealer checked and we have the latest updates. We have problems with it nearly every time out. It will randomly disengage and since the throttle needs to be past the locked-in speed, the boat will accelerate without warning. We have accidentally had surfers over 20 mph and boarders at 30 mph! This is dangerous and clearly has not been tested enough before putting it into production.

Our dealer has been very responsive and some of the items have been fixed. However, this has cost me a lot of time off work and money, much less non-boating time, that more than offset any savings realized with buying a Tige. The big problems such as the hull listing and the SpeedSet randomly disengaging (common on 2009 with PCM) are certainly not something that the dealer cannot be blamed for.

Overall, the quantity and severity of problems we have experienced with our brand new boat is simply unacceptable. Furthermore, the manufacturer refusing to even respond to letters, emails and phone calls is inexcusable. Not that I expected anything from it other than a fun boating weekend, but we even hosted a reunion at Norris Lake, TN in August in an effort to help promote the Tige brand right in the heart of Malibu, Skier's Choice & Mastercraft country! Even though we were having these problems, we held our tongue and continued to promote the brand. Honestly, a response (phone call/email/letter) telling me to "buzz off" would have at least earned a little respect.

We have been very, very patient. I would be amazed if any reasonable customer that had as many quality issues as we have had would not agree. Again, if we took away all the major problems, we would love our boat. It is truly a shame.

[dom w. forte]

I can assure you that your case is unique, and that Tige will step up and address your issues , they have been outstanding with any problem we have ever had .
No manufacturer can win 5 years in a row for customer satisfaction without backing their product, and the NMMA CSI award is far more valuable then a JD Powers .
As to PCM they make an exellent power plant and I am sure they took care of your issue, and if it was an issue with Tige it would be the same for CC who use the same power.
As to ballast in my oppinion , nobody has a perfect system ,that is the bulk of our work on every brand that comes to our shop, from pumps not priming to pump failure esspecially on much higher priced boats.
If I can be of any assistance please feel free to call me at 1 888 517 3178.

[da.bell]

Ima, have your dealer call Dom and get this corrected. I am sure Dom will be able to contact Tige and they might respond a little quicker. Just an idea. :02:

[Nobody]

The best part about Dom aside from him being 5 minutes away and being an Ace in his profession is the guy talks staight. He doesn't beat around issues, shade the truth, pull fast punches, make light of your problems. Dom "knows" what he's talking about! Manufacturers have to cut cost today to survive. The first place to cut cost is labor which translates to less quality. It's not going to matter who the boat manufacturer is today, cause they're ALL in the same predicament....so beware! The others on this board will know better than I....but sounds like Nautique is in the worst shape of them all. The only complaint with my 2008 RZ4 (245 hours) is one hatch sticks (rear port side). I'm the only one that can open it. If we turn our bass all the up, it makes the hatch easier to open. No biggie IMO.

I can assure you that your case is unique, and that Tige will step up and address your issues , they have been outstanding with any problem we have ever had .
No manufacturer can win 5 years in a row for customer satisfaction without backing their product, and the NMMA CSI award is far more valuable then a JD Powers .
As to PCM they make an exellent power plant and I am sure they took care of your issue, and if it was an issue with Tige it would be the same for CC who use the same power.
As to ballast in my oppinion , nobody has a perfect system ,that is the bulk of our work on every brand that comes to our shop, from pumps not priming to pump failure esspecially on much higher priced boats.
If I can be of any assistance please feel free to call me at 1 888 517 3178.

[Tanner]

Eh, everyone has one. Sorry to hear about yours.

As to your listing problem.... make sure your weight is equal. Most people don't account for the weight of their stereo and batteries. Is the hull listing when you have other people on the port side? Don't forget, the driver is weight, and unless you have something to equal out the weight on the other side, it's gonna list!

I have a friend w/ an 09' SAN 210, that has already replaced one motor at 30 hours, and constant ballast pump issues.

Another buddies 08 VLX has massive cracks around his illusion tower, and his seats are beginning to move around in the boat, from the screws coming loose and getting stripped. And his maliview locks up solid all the damn time.

We can't figure out anothers 08 Supra SSV's perfect pass. Neither can the dealer. It shoots past the set speed and goes full throttle. Then about 40 it begins to back down to the set speed. Once there, it shoots full throttle again. Ever boarded at 40 mph?...it's eye opening...lol.

My point is, everybody has problem boats. I can't believe Harvey at Tige won't get back to you though. I've always got a call back from them the same day. Usually within 2 or 3 hours max!

You say a better quality boat... but I say show me one. I've looked them all over, and I don't think there is one. I can pick apart any brand, including Tige... but they all have their strengths and weaknesses. IMHO Tige's quality as of late is on par w/ anyone you wanna name from this market.

[ImaPigDog]

Eh, everyone has one. Sorry to hear about yours.

As to your listing problem.... make sure your weight is equal. Most people don't account for the weight of their stereo and batteries. Is the hull listing when you have other people on the port side? Don't forget, the driver is weight, and unless you have something to equal out the weight on the other side, it's gonna list!

I have a friend w/ an 09' SAN 210, that has already replaced one motor at 30 hours, and constant ballast pump issues.

Another buddies 08 VLX has massive cracks around his illusion tower, and his seats are beginning to move around in the boat, from the screws coming loose and getting stripped. And his maliview locks up solid all the damn time.

We can't figure out anothers 08 Supra SSV's perfect pass. Neither can the dealer. It shoots past the set speed and goes full throttle. Then about 40 it begins to back down to the set speed. Once there, it shoots full throttle again. Ever boarded at 40 mph?...it's eye opening...lol.

My point is, everybody has problem boats. I can't believe Harvey at Tige won't get back to you though. I've always got a call back from them the same day. Usually within 2 or 3 hours max!

You say a better quality boat... but I say show me one. I've looked them all over, and I don't think there is one. I can pick apart any brand, including Tige... but they all have their strengths and weaknesses. IMHO Tige's quality as of late is on par w/ anyone you wanna name from this market.

If anything the weight in the boat is more on the port side (e.g. both batteries, two anchors, etc.). And, yes, I am aware to account for the driver of the boat (especially when it is me because I am a big guy). I have to fill up the port ballast just to even it out. You can see it in the wake. The mechanic at our dealer even experienced it and described it as "it is like there is a dead body in the starboard corner" of the boat.

That concerns me that that your friend had to have his PCM engine replaced after 30 hours.

Like I stated in one of my prior posts, I have been around boats all my life. I know how they are built and the environments that they are exposed to. I have looked them all over also. I researched all the inboards brands before purchasing the Tigé. Prior to this, we had a brand new I/O and I researched a laundry list of those as well. I get it. I have bought used and new boats but have never had this many problems.

I realize that there is a lot of personal pride in boat brands and I'm sorry if there are those of you who don't like to hear anything negative about Tigé. I understand that all brands are going to experience problems. I am on other forums besides this one. However, I can only share my Tigé experience (Isn't that what this site is for?) and compare/contrast the experiences of my friends and neighbors with different brands of inboards.

[Tanner]

Actually you'll find alot of the tige owners will band together and stand behind the owner (you in this case) if needed. Usually Tige steps up before that's even warranted though.

Maybe there really is a dead body in there though. A Tige worker fell in and got glassed over! HAHA....j/k.

[ImaPigDog]

I can assure you that your case is unique, and that Tige will step up and address your issues , they have been outstanding with any problem we have ever had .
No manufacturer can win 5 years in a row for customer satisfaction without backing their product, and the NMMA CSI award is far more valuable then a JD Powers .
As to PCM they make an exellent power plant and I am sure they took care of your issue, and if it was an issue with Tige it would be the same for CC who use the same power.
As to ballast in my oppinion , nobody has a perfect system ,that is the bulk of our work on every brand that comes to our shop, from pumps not priming to pump failure esspecially on much higher priced boats.
If I can be of any assistance please feel free to call me at 1 888 517 3178.

Dom - Thanks for the response and offer of assistance. At this point, I don't want to get any more parties involved.

I have my NMMA survey still sitting here on my desk. I haven't filled it out yet because I knew my response would be skewed very negatively and was hoping that Tigé would step up.

I sent a letter on July 30, 2009. I have since followed up with emails and phone calls to no avail. When does the "step up" part begin? :rolleyes:

I don't want to get the hair standing up on the back of the happy Tigé owners' necks. I will not be commenting on this any further after tonight.

Spacecoast => I apologize for sending your thread off on a tangent. I can attest that I have heard nothing but good things about Kevin, Dom & crew at Forte's from their customers and other dealers. I would investigate what quality controls are in place at both factories (e.g. - Six Sigma process) Good luck in your decision!

[thtrog]

Eh, everyone has one. Sorry to hear about yours.

As to your listing problem.... make sure your weight is equal. Most people don't account for the weight of their stereo and batteries. Is the hull listing when you have other people on the port side? Don't forget, the driver is weight, and unless you have something to equal out the weight on the other side, it's gonna list!

I have a friend w/ an 09' SAN 210, that has already replaced one motor at 30 hours, and constant ballast pump issues.

Another buddies 08 VLX has massive cracks around his illusion tower, and his seats are beginning to move around in the boat, from the screws coming loose and getting stripped. And his maliview locks up solid all the damn time.

We can't figure out anothers 08 Supra SSV's perfect pass. Neither can the dealer. It shoots past the set speed and goes full throttle. Then about 40 it begins to back down to the set speed. Once there, it shoots full throttle again. Ever boarded at 40 mph?...it's eye opening...lol.

My point is, everybody has problem boats. I can't believe Harvey at Tige won't get back to you though. I've always got a call back from them the same day. Usually within 2 or 3 hours max!

You say a better quality boat... but I say show me one. I've looked them all over, and I don't think there is one. I can pick apart any brand, including Tige... but they all have their strengths and weaknesses. IMHO Tige's quality as of late is on par w/ anyone you wanna name from this market.

I'll send you a pic Tanner :p 60 hours on a new '09 Malibu VLX...Not One Single Problem or even a punch list for the first service. Owned a great used Tige...once you got past the tower. Not a apple to apple comparison IMHO, so I'll leave it at that. No Maliview offered in '08:confused: I'm sure something will come up here and there with my new boat, but I have confidence in my dealer to make it right.

Hope it all gets worked out IPD...I've had emails and phone calls returned from Harvey when I had questions on my Tige. Good Luck!

[majestic]

90 hours and not one single warranty issue.

[Tanner]

No Maliview offered in '08:confused:

There is a retrofit kit. Malibu offered it to dealers w/ old 08' stock sitting in their inventory to help them move them.

It will only fit on 08's though, as the ECM changed from 07 to 08.

[chpthril]

There is a retrofit kit. Malibu offered it to dealers w/ old 08' stock sitting in their inventory to help them move them.

It will only fit on 08's though, as the ECM changed from 07 to 08.

That's some smart think'n right there...............add 2K to the bottom line of a year old stale boat, that'll make it fly off the lot :p :ro:

[Timmy!]

ImaPigDog - why don't you want other parties involved? We're here to help you, none of us want to see someone spend that kind of money and not be happy with the purchase no matter what brand of boat you bought! I'm confused as to why you wouldn't want the issues fixed. I guess your intent is to now sell the boat and let someone else deal with the issues? I'm sure you're at the end of your rope after all of the things that you have done but you made a substantial purchase and you should be able to enjoy it!

[chpthril]

ImaPigDog - why don't you want other parties involved? We're here to help you, none of us want to see someone spend that kind of money and not be happy with the purchase no matter what brand of boat you bought! I'm confused as to why you wouldn't want the issues fixed. I guess your intent is to now sell the boat and let someone else deal with the issues? I'm sure you're at the end of your rope after all of the things that you have done but you made a substantial purchase and you should be able to enjoy it!

X2. Who have you sent letter(s) and email(s) to and called, that has not responded to either you or your dealer directly. Dude, I've met just about all the movers and shakers at Tige. I've got either thier cell or email, and I'm not afraid to use it :p :ro:

J/K but seriously, send me a PM! If the dealer is not getting help from Tige, then he needs to go to his Rep, which I believe is Mark Gibbs. If that dont work, go to Tony F, if that dont work, go to Ben and or Charlie. Somewhere there is a chunk of story missing, is it parts or tech help that the dealer is needing to fix your boat. This train can and will get moving, you just need to push the right button :02:

[Timmy!]

FWIW, turbonine finally got satisfaction with them buying his boat back (or something like that) and is in his Malibu now. We're here to help, seriously!

[da.bell]

Abilene, We have a problem!!!!! We have a breakdown in communication... Come in Abilene!!!!! Are you there?????

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Hope things work out IPD!!!!! :ro:

[ImaPigDog]

The proper parties are already involved and all the "big dogs" (Charlie, Rick, Harvey, Mark, Ben) have been directly contacted.

Our situation is not going to get solved on this forum. As previously stated, I am not commenting with any further details on our situation until it is resolved.

You may direct any questions directly to: timwilking - at - yahoo - dot - com

Tim

[Timmy!]

Cool. Keep us posted on the outcome.

[loudelectronics]

X2. Who have you sent letter(s) and email(s) to and called, that has not responded to either you or your dealer directly. Dude, I've met just about all the movers and shakers at Tige. I've got either thier cell or email, and I'm not afraid to use it :p :ro:

J/K but seriously, send me a PM! If the dealer is not getting help from Tige, then he needs to go to his Rep, which I believe is Mark Gibbs. If that dont work, go to Tony F, if that dont work, go to Ben and or Charlie. Somewhere there is a junk of story missing, is it parts or tech help that the dealer is needing to fix your boat. This train can and will get moving, you just need to push the right button :02:


You are so right. You got to talk to the right people. After talking to the right people on my boat, I am fully convinced that they are going to do the right thing and right the situation. They are great people to work with. Just make sure you are talking to the right people and not sending emails, just to the bulk collection box, those hardly get returned.

I have never owned a product that has been better backed by the company. Not to many companies I know of if you have an issue you go right to the GM to get it resolved. Most will keep it at a dealer level. Tige stands behind there product!

Ask your self this, when was the last time you had an issue with your vehicle that the dealer was not fixing? Did you get a response from corporate. This is what makes tige unique and one reason we buy the boats.

[loudelectronics]

Oops! Should have kept reading. Keep us posted!

[turbonine]

FWIW, turbonine finally got satisfaction with them buying his boat back (or something like that) and is in his Malibu now. We're here to help, seriously!

Couldn't be happier to be back in a Malibu. 600+ hrs between the two Malibus and only one problem with ground wire not being connected to a rocker switch. 17 seconds to fix.


Our situation is not going to get solved on this forum. As previously stated, I am not commenting with any further details on our situation until it is resolved.

You may direct any questions directly to: timwilking - at - yahoo - dot - com

Tim

I think Tim is doing the right thing. Forums only seem to fuel the fire and they are public domain.

[turbonine]

Ask your self this, when was the last time you had an issue with your vehicle that the dealer was not fixing? Did you get a response from corporate. This is what makes tige unique and one reason we buy the boats.

GM sold about 1,500,000 last year. Tige sold, I am guessing, under a 1,000 boats last year. This does make them unique in a comparison to GM. Just because there a manufacturers and dealers, it doesn't make them the same customer service model.

[zad0030]

There is a retrofit kit. Malibu offered it to dealers w/ old 08' stock sitting in their inventory to help them move them.

It will only fit on 08's though, as the ECM changed from 07 to 08. Actually I think that the ECM needs to be replaced on the 08's as well.

But here is the thing... If Malibu offered retrofits for all capable boats, no one would buy new boats.

That's some smart think'n right there...............add 2K to the bottom line of a year old stale boat, that'll make it fly off the lot :p :ro:
You would be surprised

[chpthril]

Actually I think that the ECM needs to be replaced on the 08's as well.

But here is the thing... If Malibu offered retrofits for all capable boats, no one would buy new boats.


You would be surprised

Yes I would :D Now, if the dealer installed the upgrade without adding it to the asking price of the boat, then yes, it would spur some buyers as it ='d another dealer discount in a way. But, making it look like an 09 and having the price of an 09, buyers would just buy........wait for it.........an 09 :p

[talltigeguy]

IPD,

I hope that your issues get resolved. There has to be someone out there with the proper understanding of how to fix those things.

The only part of the story that did not make a lot of sense to me is that he had contacted corporate and still felt unlistened to. Like others have suggested, they felt listened to, even in the worst of circumstances. Multiple people offered to make the call for him even. IPD makes it sound like he was told to just tough it out. You can't sell a boat with a good conscience with those issues, so it has to be fixed no matter what unless you give it back to Tige or the dealer.

I can't help but wonder if there is more to the story on both sides, but I agree with IPD, for now it is best to just leave it off the internet until a resolution is found. If they never can fix those issues, then blast away.